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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Has anybody considered the possibility of letting them leave the base to go to church, or is that just not in the Right wing talking points?

    You know, personal responsibility, Libertarianism and not waiting for the government to fix your problems...nope, blame Obama!
    No one is stopping any one from performing religious services for troops off base.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Cannot bypass it with an executive order. Cannot overrule congress with an executive order. By law, congress has the authority here, not the president.
    Contract positions are not a 'hire' position. Contracts processes are worked and awarded 3-6 months in advance and funds are already allocated and in place. Exempted furlough positions (both fed employee and contractor) and assets have been in place throughout. And the use of executive order involves Executive Branch enforcement and actions, not legislative.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No one is stopping any one from performing religious services for troops off base.
    Too easy...we need the government to intervene! At least according to the "libertarians" in this thread.


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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Contract positions are not a 'hire' position. Contracts processes are worked and awarded 3-6 months in advance and funds are already allocated and in place. Exempted furlough positions (both fed employee and contractor) and assets have been in place throughout. And the use of executive order involves Executive Branch enforcement and actions, not legislative.
    Not all contracted positions work the same way. It depends on the terms of the contract.

    Do Catholic Priests in the Military ‘Risk Being Arrested’ if They Minister and Hold Mass During the Gov’t Shutdown? | TheBlaze.com

    For instance, Quantico's contracted priests can still give services but other contracts are not like their, apparently.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No they are not funded past the fiscal year for that time for all priests. Not for most cases, especially if the contract is renewed every year. It all depends on the way they are funded.
    IDIQs are in place and awarded in advance. Contract NEC, FAP, Housing, Emergency response, Resource Management, Survivor Outreach, One Source, Respite Care, contract personnel were ALL in-place and remained functional. Those contracts are in fact awarded. There is absolutely no way the Chapel Contract was not already in place and its silly you would even bring it into play as it has NOTHING TO DO with access to a facility.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Contract positions are not a 'hire' position. Contracts processes are worked and awarded 3-6 months in advance and funds are already allocated and in place. Exempted furlough positions (both fed employee and contractor) and assets have been in place throughout. And the use of executive order involves Executive Branch enforcement and actions, not legislative.
    Please read up on the relevant law: Antideficiency Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not all contracted positions work the same way. It depends on the terms of the contract.

    Do Catholic Priests in the Military ‘Risk Being Arrested’ if They Minister and Hold Mass During the Gov’t Shutdown? | TheBlaze.com

    For instance, Quantico's contracted priests can still give services but other contracts are not like their, apparently.
    Al this does is blow the argument that they 'cant' perform work completely out of the water.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Please read up on the relevant law: Antideficiency Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Wonderful. Now explain how (just as Rogue posted) other contract positions ARE IN FACT in place and operational.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wonderful. Now explain how (just as Rogue posted) other contract positions ARE IN FACT in place and operational.
    Because congress has over the years made certain exemptions. They can do it, the president cannot.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The Pentagon is not well-funded during a shutdown. It is funded to only the essentials right now, or did you miss that part of the last few weeks? Obama cannot fund anything else. Congress funds these things, not the President.

    Would it be okay if Obama decided to sign an executive order to make Congress pay for Medicaid or welfare while the shutdown is happening, claiming that families are depending on these things and it could put these families in debt, some of which are servicemembers (at least for the welfare)?
    Obama is Commander in Chief. Do you understand this is a responsibility beyond your EBT card? 85% of the Government is still up and running. Obama is hiring private security guards with guns to keep people out of Independence Hall. He;s hiring thugs to wire shut war memorials.

    They were warned days before the shut down even took place that this would happen

    Obama and Hagel did nothing. Only after it looked bad, did Obama all of the sudden pretend to be outraged and demand something be done. You're going to tell me that as Commander in Chief, Obama only found out the families of these KIA hadn't gotten their benefits yet today? Their sons and daughters were killed in the war Obama is running.

    We get it though. Obama is endlessly campaigning. A great honest guy. Knows nothing. Should always get what he wants. yadda yadda yadda

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