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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    It's simple, the government should not be funded piecemeal as the Republicans are trying to do. It is a very bad way to do business. Yes, people are being inconvenienced. But the majority of the complaints are like this one, things that are really not that big of a deal.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Obama could have written an executive order to fund these families' benefits in a second. His closest advisers knew about this DAYS AGO. The Pentagon is the most well funded institution in Government. You're telling me Obama can pay for armed private security to keep people out of Independence Hall, but as Commander in Chief and HIS appointed lackey running The Pentagon, they didn't have the money and couldn't have taken action to fly these families to the funerals of their fallen loved ones? I just want to know how much you're being paid to shill for Obama's thuggish nonsense.

    You're about 5 talking points behind and only continue to expose yourself with endless buffoonery
    Wrong. That would have been illegal.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Again, you're ignorant of what's in The Constitution and in the first Amendment

    The First Amendment says



    Where are the words "Separation of Church state"? Again, you lied. Par for the course.

    What the FA is saying is that Congress can't make up it's own religion and force everyone to worship whatever God they create. The Government can't tell Baptists to practice their faith like Catholics. The Founders (as men) were CLEARLY influenced heavily by the words and teachings of Jesus Christ and God. You're misinterpreting the reason why Jefferson ever even wrote that letter. He was writing to Baptists and letting them know that the Government will never intervene in how they practice their faith. You're on these boards defending the guy who is doing exactly that. Obama, who for petty petulant reasons, is telling Christians they cannot practice their faith. He will even use his goons to make sure they can't worship.

    Jefferson never would have approved of shutting down church services, especially to gain political points. The values, morality and principles of The Founders is completely foreign and alien to a corrupt fascist Obot.




    George Washington was clearly a devout Christian and never believed that it was Government's job to stop people from worshiping in Public, even on Federal Land.
    Clearly, you are not going to be removed from your talking points. The words do not appear, but the lack of Separation would in fact be a state religion. Since that is prohibited by the First Amendment, it is right there.

    You said all of the Founders felt the same as you. You are wrong, and I proved it.

    I don't give 2 ****s about Obama, and it's not about him. Except in your warped mind where everything is about that Communist Nazi Obama. Grow up and learn how to take your medicine when you're wrong, which your assertions have been even thought you declared them "not debatable."


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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wrong. That would have been illegal.
    But the Founders....(at least 3 of whom disagree with Bronson about the separation of church and state)


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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You know, its funny. I link to a source that explains the law, and yet people keep right on blaming Obama for a law from 1870. The law provides for exceptions for personell necessary for risk to health or property, and congress, not the president, has the authority to exempt others.
    Actually, the president is quite familiar with and comfortable with this thing called an 'Executive Order' whereby he orders components of the executive branch (his administration) which sections to anxiously engage in and which sections to ignore. He has (by his right) demonstrated he knows about it and is not afraid to use it...when it is convenient to him. One could even very fairly argue that especially in an era where AD military personnel are committing suicide daily and dealing with deployment stresses, financial stressors, etc, that a Chaplain...a spiritual counselor, would fairly well fit in that category of essential personnel.

    Exemptions to furlough were granted fairly broadly in fact. Execution of the park shutdown is also apparently arbitrary, based on cause.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Obama could have written an executive order to fund these families' benefits in a second. His closest advisers knew about this DAYS AGO. The Pentagon is the most well funded institution in Government. You're telling me Obama can pay for armed private security to keep people out of Independence Hall, but as Commander in Chief and HIS appointed lackey running The Pentagon, they didn't have the money and couldn't have taken action to fly these families to the funerals of their fallen loved ones? I just want to know how much you're being paid to shill for Obama's thuggish nonsense.

    You're about 5 talking points behind and only continue to expose yourself with endless buffoonery
    The Pentagon is not well-funded during a shutdown. It is funded to only the essentials right now, or did you miss that part of the last few weeks? Obama cannot fund anything else. Congress funds these things, not the President.

    Would it be okay if Obama decided to sign an executive order to make Congress pay for Medicaid or welfare while the shutdown is happening, claiming that families are depending on these things and it could put these families in debt, some of which are servicemembers (at least for the welfare)?
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The Pentagon is not well-funded during a shutdown. It is funded to only the essentials right now, or did you miss that part of the last few weeks? Obama cannot fund anything else. Congress funds these things, not the President.

    Would it be okay if Obama decided to sign an executive order to make Congress pay for Medicaid or welfare while the shutdown is happening, claiming that families are depending on these things and it could put these families in debt, some of which are servicemembers (at least for the welfare)?
    Contracts already previously awarded are already funded. Not sure why the funding issue comes up. Sec D Hagel DID manage to order a whole lot of folks back to work using his loopholes.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Has anybody considered the possibility of letting them leave the base to go to church, or is that just not in the Right wing talking points?

    You know, personal responsibility, Libertarianism and not waiting for the government to fix your problems...nope, blame Obama!


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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Contracts already previously awarded are already funded. Not sure why the funding issue comes up. Sec D Hagel DID manage to order a whole lot of folks back to work using his loopholes.
    No they are not funded past the fiscal year for that time for all priests. Not for most cases, especially if the contract is renewed every year. It all depends on the way they are funded.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Actually, the president is quite familiar with and comfortable with this thing called an 'Executive Order' whereby he orders components of the executive branch (his administration) which sections to anxiously engage in and which sections to ignore. He has (by his right) demonstrated he knows about it and is not afraid to use it...when it is convenient to him. One could even very fairly argue that especially in an era where AD military personnel are committing suicide daily and dealing with deployment stresses, financial stressors, etc, that a Chaplain...a spiritual counselor, would fairly well fit in that category of essential personnel.

    Exemptions to furlough were granted fairly broadly in fact. Execution of the park shutdown is also apparently arbitrary, based on cause.
    Cannot bypass it with an executive order. Cannot overrule congress with an executive order. By law, congress has the authority here, not the president.
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