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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Jefferson didn't sign The Constitution

    He wasn't even in the country at the time it was debated, drafted and signed
    So you're redefining "Founding Father?" Move the goalposts much?

    Not surprised...


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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Jefferson didn't sign The Constitution

    Like I said. You don't know History.

    Par for the course

    "Separation of Church and State" was injected by Hugo Black. A KKK racist Democrat
    Not only are you trying to deny that Jefferson is a founding father, but you also want to change history about what he said?

    Founding Fathers - Top Ten Founding Fathers

    He's listed as 3rd one down.

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    The only reason Jefferson didn't sign the Constitution was because he was in France on a diplomatic mission.

    And yes, he did say that there should be a wall between church and state. And he questioned the majority of the Bible, including going so far as to write his own, removing much of the "miracles" within it, including those pertaining to Jesus.

    Jefferson's Wall of Separation Letter - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

    But we ensured that the separation would be made within state governments as well anyway with the passage of the 14th Amendment. This ensured that people were not treated as "lesser" citizens for their religious beliefs or lack thereof.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So you're redefining "Founding Father?" Move the goalposts much?

    Not surprised...
    Jefferson wasn't even in the country at the time The Constitution was debated and drafted. The fact that every time this discussion is brought up, the only person Obots want to focus on is Jefferson.

    How about the men who actually debated, drafted and SIGNED the document? Don't their beliefs matter to? They certainly wrote letters like Jefferson did, but somehow the only relevant "letter" is Jefferson's separation clause. A letter from a man who wasn't even there when the Constitution was created.

    Look this issue is not debatable. 1776 was a different time. There weren't any prog/Obots around back then Thank God

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    So instead of wiring shut the golf course, Obama sends in thugs and cronies to wire shut the WW2 and Vietnam War Memorials

    Got it

    Oh and he kicked old people out of their homes and blocked people from even seeing Mount Rushmore from the highway
    Again, the gulf course is on open military installations and pays for itself, either by its own profits or MWR funds, which are not government provided. The people who take care of the Memorials are paid with taxpayer funds.

    The government shutdown did all those things, not Obama. And that is if they actually happened as being reported rather than people using such things to attack Obama. The "blocking of the highway" was not as reported. They weren't trying to block everything, but rather funnel people through without tying up traffic or causing problems. And those "homes" were vacation homes, not their actual places of residence.

    Shutdown forces owners to leave Lake Mead homes | Las Vegas Review-Journal

    Although Vanover couldn’t put an exact number on how many residents were actually living in their vacation homes at the time of the government’s closure, she wanted to make one thing clear: “They are all vacation homes and everybody who lives in them are considered visitors,” she said. “If anybody needs to gather their personal belongings, we’re not going to deny them access. They can go do that. They just can’t spend the nights there or have barbecues during the day.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Jefferson wasn't even in the country at the time The Constitution was debated and drafted. The fact that every time this discussion is brought up, the only person Obots want to focus on is Jefferson.

    How about the men who actually debated, drafted and SIGNED the document? Don't their beliefs matter to? They certainly wrote letters like Jefferson did, but somehow the only relevant "letter" is Jefferson's separation clause. A letter from a man who wasn't even there when the Constitution was created.

    Look this issue is not debatable. 1776 was a different time. There weren't any prog/Obots around back then Thank God
    So your position is that Thomas Jefferson was not a Founding Father? You said "Every Founding Father." Keep trying to back out by blaming it on "Obots," but you've been proven to be wrong. Again.


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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So your position is that Thomas Jefferson was not a Founding Father? You said "Every Founding Father." Keep trying to back out by blaming it on "Obots," but you've been proven to be wrong. Again.
    Quote me where I said Jefferson "wasn't a Founder"

    Where was Jefferson when The Constitution was debated, drafted and signed? You know the answer?

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Quote me where I said Jefferson "wasn't a Founder"

    Where was Jefferson when The Constitution was debated, drafted and signed? You know the answer?
    Doesn't matter, you're telling us all of them wanted a religious government. Point out one that didn't, and you moved the goalposts. You said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post

    There were 55 Founders.
    You didn't say "people who signed the Constitution." Jefferson was a founder, and he disagrees with you. Therefore, you are wrong in assuming that they all wanted a religious government.


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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Again, the gulf course is on open military installations and pays for itself, either by its own profits or MWR funds, which are not government provided. The people who take care of the Memorials are paid with taxpayer funds.

    The government shutdown did all those things, not Obama. And that is if they actually happened as being reported rather than people using such things to attack Obama. The "blocking of the highway" was not as reported. They weren't trying to block everything, but rather funnel people through without tying up traffic or causing problems. And those "homes" were vacation homes, not their actual places of residence.

    Shutdown forces owners to leave Lake Mead homes | Las Vegas Review-Journal
    You're just bleeting the talking points

    Obama has even hired private security goons to block Independence Hall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N078jMaPA5M

    Obama actually used more resources to shut down the WW2 memorials that would ever be used to keep them open. They are open parks. Obama has even shut down the grand canyon. It just amazes me that disgusting filthy people continue to defend this Fascism and abuse of power. Why do are defending such corruption? That's the real question.

    Fortunately people are seeing through this pattern of Obama abusing his power like a fascist dictator. From NSA spying to IRS target and harassment. This is just another example of many.

    You should be asking yourself why your Messiah would deny the families of military KIA their benefits too

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Doesn't matter, you're telling us all of them wanted a religious government. Point out one that didn't, and you moved the goalposts. You said:
    I didn't say "religious Government" and yes it matters

    You live and die in your strawmen. Par for the course.

    You didn't say "people who signed the Constitution." Jefferson was a founder, and he disagrees with you. Therefore, you are wrong in assuming that they all wanted a religious government.
    Where was Jefferson when the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were debated, drafted and signed?

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Jefferson didn't sign The Constitution

    He wasn't even in the country at the time it was debated, drafted and signed
    Lol, are you denying Thomas Jefferson was a Founding Father? A Founding Father who clearly opposed the union of church & state? A Founding Father who through his work blows you claim on "all of them" opposing separation of church & state out of the water?
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