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Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown[W:181]

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ChezC3 said:
No, actually it shows you don't know what it means -- the Plato/Aristotelian definition is, "one who rules without law, looks to his own advantage rather than that of his subjects, and uses extreme and cruel tactics—against his own people as well as others"

Which fits this SOB to a T...

So, please, do yourself a favor make sure you know what you are talking about before pretending not to understand what someone else is talking about, now, thrice I will say, good day!
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Ok, Obama rules within the law because if he did not he would just declare a budget. He does not actually create laws, they have to come from congress. He in no way fits that definition of tyrant either. You are now basically telling me an apple is an orange. What you are saying is simply not true. It is like calling someone who does not have down syndrom a retard. You know that they are not actually retarded. We all know that Obama is not actually a tyrant, but you are just calling him a meaningless name because you completely ignore the meaning of tyrant.

But please do tell us how Obama fits into that role so i may pick it apart.
 
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tererun said:
Ok, Obama rules within the law because if he did not he would just declare a budget. He does not actually create laws, they have to come from congress. He in no way fits that definition of tyrant either. You are now basically telling me an apple is an orange. What you are saying is simply not true. It is like calling someone who does not have down syndrom a retard. You know that they are not actually retarded. We all know that Obama is not actually a tyrant, but you are just calling him a meaningless name because you completely ignore the meaning of tyrant.

But please do tell us how Obama fits into that role so i may pick it apart.
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:yawn:

You are basically telling me a apple isn't an apple because Obama says it is a plum. You might not know Obama is actually a tyrant but for those of us who aren't up his hooha -- we can see it plain as day. I have not completely ignored the meaning of tyrant. I gave a very specific definition which has fit in the context of my usage. It seems you are incapable of understanding the definition and how it is applied. That's OK. I don't mind helping you but you have to put the effort in too, can't all be me...
 
 
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ChezC3 said:
:yawn:

You are basically telling me a apple isn't an apple because Obama says it is a plum. You might not know Obama is actually a tyrant but for those of us who aren't up his hooha -- we can see it plain as day. I have not completely ignored the meaning of tyrant. I gave a very specific definition which has fit in the context of my usage. It seems you are incapable of understanding the definition and how it is applied. That's OK. I don't mind helping you but you have to put the effort in too, can't all be me...
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Like I said, I am not playing pretend with you. We deal with reality here. We do not live in fauxland.
 
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ChezC3 said:
Here, pick on this...and be sure to show your work.

Obama supporters will go hysterical over this well sourced list of 345 examples of his lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, etc. | Dan from Squirrel Hill's Blog

and for extra credit

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+obama+a+tyranny&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial&client=firefox-a#q=is+obama+a+tyrant&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial
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That first link actually shows obama is not a tyrant. A tyrant does not have to worry about lieing cheating and stealing because they are in power. Obama can be impeached if he acts wrongly. Obviously not a tyrant. That second link is just a plea to idiots saying stuff they do not understand. It is great and all that you have people like you who do not understand what a tyrant is, but that does not change the definition. Sorry, but you are failing. It is probably because Obama is not a tyrant, but do not let that stop you.
 
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tererun said:
Like I said, I am not playing pretend with you. We deal with reality here. We do not live in fauxland.
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Than that makes your posts all the more troublesome, becaue you're showing what I've always said, what you think and what you believe is your reality and boy, what a world you live in...
 
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tererun said:
It is probably because Obama is not a tyrant
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Denial isn't just a river in Egypt you know...
 
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ChezC3 said:
You really want to double down on this?

I didn't say your story is false, I said that him saying his Buddhism wanting him to find inner peace in the mountains is BS. If he is being taught that, than he's going on a Jim Jones field trip, because yes, I am aware of the many different schools of Buddhism and none of them have the goal of anything other than being here, right here, in the space between your breath, right now where you are, there is no place to be, there is no other place you can go, but here, in this moment... your past is delusion your future illusion, Now, right now. Being present in this moment. There is no path to enlightenment because there is no enlightenment. The Buddha is a dried piece of monkey crap. Do you understand? No, I don't believe you do, so please do yourself a favor and don't speak on that which you obviously know little about. Don't get pissy, don't get snotty, I'm sure you know about a lot of things, but this just isn't one of them.

They were available and able to be made, the vindictive, sadistic, less than a man named Obama violated their 1st amendment rights, you know make no prohibition on the free exercise thereof? Yeah, well he did.
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Actually, he is not preventing them from exercising their religion at all.

First of all, it would be the fault of base/command COs who wouldn't make accommodations for those sailors that might need it to go off base to fulfill any religious obligations they needed to meet. (Of course again, if this is going to impact the military negatively, then they will just have to suck it up as part of being a servicemember. The military is only obligated to try to accommodate religious needs, not to always make such accommodations when they would negatively impact the servicemember's military job.)

Second, the priests could still offer services off base to those who needed them. They were not prevented from practicing their religion either, only from practicing their religion in a specific place, on base.

Plus, why do you assume that someone else had to tell him that he needed to be in the mountains? Why can people not feel their own beliefs are as such without being told by someone else? Why could he not feel that his spirit was meant to be finding enlightenment in the mountains somewhere rather than on a ship?
 
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roguenuke said:
They did not mandate a belief in God either. They did not care if anyone believed in God or was a Christian. You are simply wanting that to be the case.
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Not a christian nation? Look at your money.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Not a christian nation? Look at your money.
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It means that some fearmongers in the 1950s got their way and we simply don't have the funds to change it at the moment. Plenty of people in the US would gladly change it.

In fact, it could easily be taken as meaning that money is the god of many Americans.
 
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tererun said:
That first link actually shows obama is not a tyrant. A tyrant does not have to worry about lieing cheating and stealing because they are in power. Obama can be impeached if he acts wrongly. Obviously not a tyrant.
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LOL. As long as he has other tyrants in power controlling the Senate, he won't be impeached. Should the GOP take the Senate and remain in control of the House, Obama will start obeying the law and meeting his constitutional obligations or his a** will be impeached.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
LOL. As long as he has other tyrants in power controlling the Senate, he won't be impeached. Should the GOP take the Senate and remain in control of the House, Obama will start obeying the law and meeting his constitutional obligations or his a** will be impeached.
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Yeah, a tyrant is typically alone.
 
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roguenuke said:
The laws that govern certain things about this situation prevent Obama from doing things though that require money, since Congress funds such things, not the President. He cannot allow our parks to get destroyed or people to get hurt in the parks because they are not being funded properly to ensure that people won't be hurt. It may seem to be so easy, but it isn't. Congress holds the main blame here, all of Congress, not the President.
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YOu can't have it both ways. If Obama can't spend money, then he can't spend money to, how you said, allow parks to get destroyed or people get hurt inthe parks.

Spending money is spending money.

By the way, how much does it cost to leave an area open ?
 
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Mason66 said:
YOu can't have it both ways. If Obama can't spend money, then he can't spend money to, how you said, allow parks to get destroyed or people get hurt inthe parks.

Spending money is spending money.

By the way, how much does it cost to leave an area open ?
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Actually, he is authorized to enforce laws pertaining to government shutdown periods, including closing public parks. Now, I haven't read up on the immigration event or what it was about that people were complaining about, but if it happened and it was paid for by public funds during a shutdown, then it is bad and he is to blame for that event. Notice, that single event if it occurred as some are saying.

However, it is wrong to complain about how he is not funding something you want through executive orders when such things are not supposed to be done, whether he has done it in the past or not. He shouldn't be doing it at all.
 
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roguenuke said:
Actually, he is not preventing them from exercising their religion at all.

First of all, it would be the fault of base/command COs who wouldn't make accommodations for those sailors that might need it to go off base to fulfill any religious obligations they needed to meet. (Of course again, if this is going to impact the military negatively, then they will just have to suck it up as part of being a servicemember. The military is only obligated to try to accommodate religious needs, not to always make such accommodations when they would negatively impact the servicemember's military job.)
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Who is Commander in Chief?

Second, the priests could still offer services off base to those who needed them. They were not prevented from practicing their religion either, only from practicing their religion in a specific place, on base.
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That is a prohibition.

Plus, why do you assume that someone else had to tell him that he needed to be in the mountains? Why can people not feel their own beliefs are as such without being told by someone else? Why could he not feel that his spirit was meant to be finding enlightenment in the mountains somewhere rather than on a ship?
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You said his religion put him at odds, I didn't. They can, never said otherwise. He could, but that isn't what Buddhism is about.
 
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ChezC3 said:
Who is Commander in Chief?



That is a prohibition.



You said his religion put him at odds, I didn't. They can, never said otherwise. He could, but that isn't what Buddhism is about.
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Doesn't matter who the CIC is. The commanders would be wrong, not him. If found out to be the case, which requires an investigation, not simple assumptions made by random people on the internet, then it would require a certain amount of time to find out the truth. Then disciplinary action should be taken against any base/ship commander who is found to have violated any laws/rules in preventing a servicemember from being able to obtain religious services offbase. However, I doubt this would be the case anyway due to the way the military works. And it would have nothing to do with the President unless he himself order they be prevented from seeking military services offbase (when not available onbase) or at the least did not punish those who would do so wrongly. (But this would still not be known to even have happened for much longer than a couple of days.)

Are people allowed to come on base to preach about the Flying Spaghetti Monster without permission from at least the base commander? If not, then they are being prohibited from practicing their religion wherever they want.

You, like others, make the mistake that just because a person's beliefs are not held by a large amount of people, it somehow means that their beliefs are not legitimately a "religion" so somehow shouldn't be respected as such.
 
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Mason66 said:
YOu can't have it both ways. If Obama can't spend money, then he can't spend money to, how you said, allow parks to get destroyed or people get hurt inthe parks.

Spending money is spending money.

By the way, how much does it cost to leave an area open ?
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Um, actually, certain types of expenditures are currently allowed and certain types of expenditures are not. Yes, it happens both ways. The **** are you on about?
 
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roguenuke said:
You, like others, make the mistake that just because a person's beliefs are not held by a large amount of people, it somehow means that their beliefs are not legitimately a "religion" so somehow shouldn't be respected as such.
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Not in the slightest. I expect people who say they are of a religion to actually adhere to that religion. Like Catholicism for example. You can't be pro abortion, and claim that it is your faith in Catholicism which makes you pro-abortion, you can't do it, there is no room for it in Catholicism. It goes directly against Catholic teaching. There are no pro abortion Catholics. To openly profess that you are pro abortion, pro same sex marriage, pro anything that goes against the Church's teaching and to openly profess such according to Canon Law means you've excommunicated yourself from the Church.

Yes, I do realize I'm a unique snowflake like everyone else but I do make sure that distinction is made when I speak on these matters, because definitions, whether or not they don't line up to a self serving agenda do matter. A perfect example of this is myself. Now I'm all over this site in promoting Catholic Social Teaching. In my ethical view I find in our current time and place, that Catholic social doctrine is the most secure way for us as a society to move forward. I converted to Catholicism a few years back, but here's the onion, I don't openly profess to be a Catholic because my views and the views of the Church at this time don't align ontologically.

I am panentheistic in my ontology whereas the Catholic Church, more or less, is not. So, I don't go and say that I'm a Catholic and the Catholic Church has got to make room for my ontological determinations, those determinations are mine, not the Church's. I can get into a heated theological debate, maybe change hearts and minds, which then would provide for an organic evolution in the understanding of ontological subjects but as they are right now, I am at odds. I follow, or I should say I try to follow the ethics the Church has taught, I openly advocate for them on ethical matters, but nowhere, in no way am I self righteous or self deluded enough to presume that the Catholic Church needs to dilute itself, to change its stance, to conform to my own personal interpretation on things. I state that the Church teaches this, and this, and I support this but I disagree on that, therefore, since I am not in communion with what the Church teaches in its entirety, I openly discuss, advocate, and promote an ontological construct which differs with that of the Church, I DO NOT CALL MYSELF CATHOLIC.

So in short, you can have a religion of 1, you can believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Buddha are the ying and yang of Jesus Christ's Islam, as he sits on the Brahma bull chanting Hare krishna to Shiva. That could be your religion, just don't go calling it Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, or any other religion in which your beliefs don't align with those which have been established.

That, or just call yourself protestant and be done with it.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Another example of our governments war on the First Amendment (and Christianity)...
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Except for all the parts that aren't actually true, anyway.
 
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joko104 said:
Just more of the Obama administration trying to hurt as many people as possible, knowing the media will blame Republicans for it.
I hope this ultimately backfires on him and Democrats.
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It won't, but the GOP will likely pay a price for this shutdown. Read the news. The future doesn't look good for the GOP.
 
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