Where did you get your idea of freedom? I'm sorry, were you under the impression that freedom consists of one particular group having sway and say exclusively over others who don't have the resources to match? That's not freedom, that's oppression. It has nothing to do with socialism, why you'd bring that up is telling that you know as little about socialism as it seems you do about freedom.
Freedom being the janitor and the CEO having an equal voice in our government.
Get my ideas of freedom through studying my constitution and history. Don’t project on me exactly what it is that you want and then turn around and detest it… you want the snake to live, just don’t seem to realize it. But, truly, how could one miss that? Voluntary blindness isn't the direction one should start plodding off into when looking for truth... I generally agree with many of your viewpoints/posts, the tacks you take even...in this instance you are just plain
way off.
First, your attempt at a strawman, of putting me wanting only the rich or the corporate…
show me any place where I even hinted at something like that…one should be cognizant that such attempts at manipulation in an effort to win a debate are rather
off-putting at best. So…Go ahead, show me... I presume you will just skip this, best to forget the maladroit, the indelible internet air ball.
Freedom...Janitor and CEO equal voice in government...?? They have equal voice at the polls, beyond that nothing is to be assured as that is hardly freedom. That would be an artificial imposition.
Freedom is the opportunity to attain whatever voice one cares to strive to achieve in our polity. Its like burger flipping, good honest job, one can take pride in it, but it is not equivalent to the doctor operating on a ruptured appendix … now a talented and hard working janitor can take his talents wherever it is his capacities and luck will allow. Instance, Alan Grayson [D, FL], a pol who I do not particularly enjoy, but do admire the fact that he put himself through Harvard working as a night watchman
and janitor… he has earned his voice… nobody deserves a microphone just because they were born with a mouth, one has to strive, has to devise a way to be heard above the din of all the others… that is not a right, the right is the opportunity to pursue.
Sorry, but you seem totally unaware of your own socialist tendencies in this thread.
Ahh, it seems you are the socialist thinker, taking away private funding allowing exclusively for public funds to be used allows fairness because it creates equality in OPPORTUNITY. Not outcome. As it regards our government freedom is predicated on this notion.
I don’t imagine you even see the nuanced irony of that paragraph.
Let’s stretch your “thoughts” out a bit….So should we, to allow this "fairness" upon which our freedom is supposedly predicated, should we do this in every instance…? We would for there to be that true freedom, if taking your logic a little further down its own line, right? So, we should all be publicly funded if we want to start a business, so it will be fair…again, all of us, right? And to get a car, to be fair, we should all be publicly funded, for a house, for college, for food, for…
For ...Total Nonsense.
What on God's green earth gave you this impression? I want the snake dead, I want its family dead, I want to go to its house in the middle of the night and piss on its ashes.
Sure not going to do much of any real damage going about it the way you suggest. Just sounds good to you, MSM will then be in complete control to choose who it wants us to focus on, nobody else will be able to do much of anything about it, liberal candidates will come out on top every time…oh, there will be a lot more candidates no doubt, at least initially, until all figure out the only way to win. Like in the old Soviet.
This tells me you haven't listened to a word I said. But I will respond.. no, unfortunately the only way to kill the beast is to turn one head against the other.
First of all, listening to the words you are saying when they only allow the two heads and one body to remain in actual control ...only allows the body to control everything. Right, like they will allow the one snake head to destroy the other… not going to happen. If it does, MSM will pretend to destroy the one and then we will just have the other in control, but as you said, same body… think either way this one entity is going to give up power? That would only be an illusion…to placate folks like you.
We have to
take back the power. There are more of us, the Tea Parties have been an attempt to go around the establishments of both the heads, its why so much scorn is heaped upon them by both the heads and MSM...and government [read: IRS et al].
Keep doing what your doing and that's precisely what will happen...and it isn't MSM "doing it" they're just the medium not the source.
Of course MSM is only a tool, but now you will allow it to continue to be the controlling influence. How you cannot see that is the voluntary blindness alluded to earlier. If we do not allow people who want to assemble outside the heads/one body, we do not allow them their own access to create media, to go up against the corporate/govt/media complex, it will just be that same complex managing the situation, controlling it all the way using their media tools.
All of that, to agree on this...great googalah moogalah... The only contention is your seemingly insistent view that common every day folk can match multi billion dollar conglomerates in the pocketbook, they can't and it is absurd to think otherwise...
You can't throw the premise out the window and than try getting into particulars...
and how do you do that currently? eh? Take a stab in the dark... :roll:
Than you quite simply are unaware of the "schematics"...
None of these were particularly worth putting any real effort into responding to as you put no thought at all into what your responses were, just lazy pushing them to the side…so I will do the same…acknowledging that you conceded the arguments.
1. You have given up so let’s have an illusion instead.
2. Nobody threw anything out but you.
3. An argument pushed to inevitable absurdity due to your poor, impossibly absurd, premise.
4. Rubio, Rand Paul and Cruz have done it, bucked the establishment…Johnson was unable using obviously tepid and ineffective methods.
5. Obviously knowledge of the actual schematics would require that
an idealistic belief that public control over the system would make the system somehow better only belies a simple socialistic dream…you are a dreamer…Imagine that.
6. Should probably also work on your then and thans, your and you’res…just saying…
