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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Looks like Mitch might want to sell himself to the highest bidder.

    I have to wonder what it would be like to own a politician.

    What do you all think about individuals being able to buy a politician ?

    Thoughts or comments ?
    I find it funny that for the ACLU and liberals, free speech is everything they agree with but nothing they disagree with.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Well, OK, but that being so, what difference did it make how much money was spent?
    It didn't. It was something I just like to point out. I do think the money made a difference in North Carolina, Indiana and perhaps Virginia.But that would have made the election just a bit closer and not changed the overall results. It is just something I like to point out. Money does count, I have asked myself the question and I hate what if questions. But this applies, Would Obama have won if he only spent 322 million and McCain spent the 750 million? Maybe, maybe not, he was swimming against a very rough tide.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Wherever did you get that idea of freedom? Sounds like a nice feel good sounding socialistic philosophy, but dealing in the real world, that is not what freedom is. If everyone were heard equally nobody would be heard at all.

    Where did you get your idea of freedom? I'm sorry, were you under the impression that freedom consists of one particular group having sway and say exclusively over others who don't have the resources to match? That's not freedom, that's oppression. It has nothing to do with socialism, why you'd bring that up is telling that you know as little about socialism as it seems you do about freedom.

    Freedom is the janitor and the CEO having an equal voice in our government.

    How would taking away private funding solve this? Fairness is impossible, everyone has his/her own perspective on what fairness might be, that is exactly why humans can never attain a utopia, it might be some people's idea of utopia, but they would have to force it on the rest of us that have different ideas...
    Ahh, it seems you are the socialist thinker, taking away private funding allowing exclusively for public funds to be used allows fairness because it creates equality in OPPORTUNITY. Not outcome. As it regards our government freedom is predicated on this notion.

    The national schematic has never been wired anywhere like what you describe in the first place, that would be just a simplistic illusion. Many of the Big Business types have been from the left, its nothing new, have always been, and many of the working class have come and are of the right...so what is your point?
    Than you quite simply are unaware of the "schematics"...

    You certainly will not resolve the problem of which you speak by just letting that one body with two heads just let the one head of the snake have its way... I am saying open it up, let those of us who want to pool our money [ there are more of us than the rich corporate and media types ] and use it the way WE want it to be used... you way just allows them to forever keep their stranglehold on us all.
    What on God's green earth gave you this impression? I want the snake dead, I want its family dead, I want to go to its house in the middle of the night and piss on its ashes.


    That sounds good, and I do not like folks I might be willing to vote for being excluded either. Johnson was my governor when I lived in Albuquerque. Bright and hardworking guy... fact of the matter is you have to be able to generate sufficient interest nationwide, have to be able to break out a bit.
    and how do you do that currently? eh? Take a stab in the dark...
    Whether we like it or not, some body has to make such decisions, decisions I may not agree with, but we cannot have 1000 candidates on the same stage, or 5000 or 50,000 having microphones...sorry, that simply is not a tenable idea. And while it is an exaggeration of your view, it illustrates the problem.
    argument ad absurdum

    The field has to be winnowed, narrowed down somehow, just like they do in the Olympics with only the top tier athletes competing. If you do not like the current system, motivate and go out and create a new one, that's where real freedom comes in. Nobody is stopping you, you have freedom of speech, freedom of assembly...with those two you have the right to try to go and and convince enough people to believe like you do... most often that will require some money. Why leave it to those who already have media in their pockets when you might have sources of getting your information out there less expensively these days...whether you do or not, why should you be stopped?
    You can't throw the premise out the window and than try getting into particulars...

    The only way to stop Big Business being in bed with Big government, however, is to quit sending Big Gov so much of our hard earned money...reduce the size and scope of government and that will reduce the hold Big Business has over us all. Don't feed both heads of the snake.
    This tells me you haven't listened to a word I said. But I will respond.. no, unfortunately the only way to kill the beast is to turn one head against the other.


    I certainly have no desire to allow MSM to keep giving me presidents I do not want...
    Keep doing what your doing and that's precisely what will happen...and it isn't MSM "doing it" they're just the medium not the source.

    Not everything has to be corporations, that is not what the tea parties started out as, is not what the tea parties are today... they are grass roots groups of like minded folk loosely allied with other similar groups and they have had quite a bit of impact.

    I do not want the establishment of either party calling all the shots, I like that the tea party has forced us all to reevaluate an ostensibly establishment Obama and his plans for radically transforming our nation away from a country I can love. I like that those tea partiers in the House have bucked the establishment, are making us all focus on what are the true problems, not just spending more, avoiding the issued until we all sink under the weight of the debt, mortgaged into slavery, to the point that we will be simply be unable to pay and all will quit letting us borrow our way, not out of, but into just kicking the can down the road for the problems to get worse.
    All of that, to agree on this...great googalah moogalah... The only contention is your seemingly insistent view that common every day folk can match multi billion dollar conglomerates in the pocketbook, they can't and it is absurd to think otherwise...

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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Freedom is the janitor and the CEO having an equal voice in our government.
    Okay, so you've achieved that, now how come Rachel Maddow still gets her one hour a day? How come politicians get a huge megaphone? Shouldn't they be disallowed from speaking more than the average person as well?




    Ahh, it seems you are the socialist thinker, taking away private funding allowing exclusively for public funds to be used allows fairness because it creates equality in OPPORTUNITY. Not outcome. As it regards our government freedom is predicated on this notion.
    Only allowing public funding means that only the political class can speak freely.




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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    Secondly, there's not much corporate money in politics
    Lol.... you farreal bro? 50% of Obama's and 40% of Romney's PAC contributions were 1 million or more. The Adelson's spent 30 million on Romney. Obama got 3.5 million from just 1 media mogul. And you're telling us there's not a lot of corporate money in politics? ROF (basically Wall Street people against Obama) spent 80 million. But there's not much corporate money in politics? Hahahahaha. Okie dokie.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    I think it's very unlikely he'll win this one, and the journalist who wrote the article isn't too bright, suggesting that the court is likely to overturn this one just because it overturned other limits. The other limits were on people spending their own money for their own purposes, not donating money directly to a candidate. Huge difference.
    Not really.

    Just separate groups performing precisely the same functions previously performed by campaigns/candidates.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    Secondly, there's not much corporate money in politics, or at least it's dwarfed by individual money which is in turn dwarfed by the influence of the media. Bill O'Reilly and Rachel Maddow get an hour to advocate. Sheldon Adelson has to buy advocacy in 30-second increments. Isn't that unfair that Bill O'Reilly and Rachel Maddow get to speak to the nation, but the average person doesn't?

    It's not the government's job to make us equal, it's the government's job to TREAT us equal. Yet even there, liberals get it wrong. They claim that we should all have the same right to speak, yet want Rachel Maddow to have special protections for her status that I wouldn't be entitled to.
    An argument can be made that media consolidation is just another avenue by which monied interests shape public opinion to their benefit.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, it doesn't.

    Of all the truly silly things people say about Citizens United, this one is currently tops.
    It does allow one to effectively shout over/drown out their opposition.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    except the media is more diverse than it used to be, not less. The media consolidation is primarily in print media. On TV and the internet, there are more voices than ever.

    Thank goodness we don't have an environment anymore where one journalist can declare a war lost and influence the whole country.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    It does allow one to effectively shout over/drown out their opposition.
    Whatever that means.
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