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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Its not censorship if you cannot afford a microphone, you do not have a "right" to a microphone.
    You don't have a right to allow your money to silence the opposition either.. Which is what CU does...
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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Freedom is equality in government, that means everyone having the ability to be heard equally, no just those that can afford the microphone.

    Taking away private funding would solve this.


    First off let's make sure we're on the same page. There is no Working Class Left versus Corporatist Right. You do know this? There is the two headed behemoth that is Big Government/ Big Business. They might squabble about which head they want to control the body. But it is one body.

    No further proof is necessary to show the deception of choice, of freedom in this country than the ability of some self appointed governing body which is a corporation which sets the standards arbitrarily and denies candidate access to public national debates. In 2000 with Ralph Nader and in 2012 with Gary Johnson, two candidates which had the credentials, had the knowledge, and in the latter case had the experience which was heads above any of the 4 corporate approved schmucks who where in those elections.


    By allowing for corporate money to be funneled into politics you are perpetuating this travesty. You are feeding the two-headed beast. You are allowing this country, and you yourself to be controlled by the monied class. You are not allowing this government to be one of the people, but of the corporations.


    and that is just another thing I can't support.

    You're starting to scare me...we agree again. "...Two headed behemouth...." Excellent.



    You might be interested in this from my local paper.....


    Salt Lake City voters say corporations are not people

    Mail-in ballots overwhelmingly oppose U.S. Supreme Court ruling on corporations and money in politics.

    Corporations are not people, and money is not speech.

    That’s what Salt Lake City residents say by an overwhelming 90 percent to 10 percent margin, according to a special mail ballot-opinion question. The results were announced Tuesday......

    The question that was put to voters was whether they supported these statements: "Only human beings, not corporations, are endowed with constitutional rights; and money is not speech and therefore regulating political contributions and spending is not equivalent to limiting political speech."

    In favor were 17,229 voters; opposed were 1,990. Another 388 ballots were not counted for a variety of reasons.....

    The Salt Lake organization is part of a national Move to Amend campaign active in about 90 cities and dedicated to undoing the 2010 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. The ruling opened the floodgates for unlimited corporate and union spending on federal and state elections.

    According to Larsen, the Move to Amend movement is meeting with success across the country and will, at some unspecified time, seek to amend the U.S. Constitution.....read...."
    Salt Lake City voters say corporations are not people | The Salt Lake Tribune

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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    You don't have a right to allow your money to silence the opposition either.. Which is what CU does...
    I will get back to the other post when I get a chance, as I certainly do not agree with what you have laid down as being an accurate assessment of how the way things are versus how they "should" be.

    But here, how is one's money silencing the other's money? This would be more akin to a civil court case wherein one side is allowed to keep its attorney to make its closing arguments in the case, the other side must drop its attorney, or perhaps never even having that attorney in the first place, at the crucial end and just be silent hoping the jury was paying close attention to detail all along and summing the arguments up properly.

    But do tell, how is one side, both sides actually, being able to present its case silencing and preventing the other side?
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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Then he got the right advocate in Mitch. A perfect match.
    You're talking bull**** again as usual, totally unsubstantiated. This is the usual meme.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I will get back to the other post when I get a chance, as I certainly do not agree with what you have laid down as being an accurate assessment of how the way things are versus how they "should" be.

    But here, how is one's money silencing the other's money? This would be more akin to a civil court case wherein one side is allowed to keep its attorney to make its closing arguments in the case, the other side must drop its attorney, or perhaps never even having that attorney in the first place, at the crucial end and just be silent hoping the jury was paying close attention to detail all along and summing the arguments up properly.

    But do tell, how is one side, both sides actually, being able to present its case silencing and preventing the other side?
    What happens when demand exceeds supply? Prices rise. It means only those with the largest bankroll will be heard.

    How the hell do you think people win elections? By having more money to get their name and message out there. I don't have any statistics, and heck I'm not even sure I'm right, but tell you what, see if you can do a little digging and tell me when was the last time someone won national office and had less money than the other guy.

    That's all politics is nowadays. Who has the most money, not who is the best person for the job. And no it doesn't always equate to he with the most money has the most support, only the most supporters with the biggest check books.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You're starting to scare me...we agree again. "...Two headed behemouth...." Excellent.
    My lean says Independent for a reason....


    Sounds like you've got some smart minded people there in SLC...

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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    What happens when demand exceeds supply? Prices rise. It means only those with the largest bankroll will be heard.

    How the hell do you think people win elections? By having more money to get their name and message out there. I don't have any statistics, and heck I'm not even sure I'm right, but tell you what, see if you can do a little digging and tell me when was the last time someone won national office and had less money than the other guy.

    That's all politics is nowadays. Who has the most money, not who is the best person for the job. And no it doesn't always equate to he with the most money has the most support, only the most supporters with the biggest check books.
    This is totally true. Republicans pointed this out when Obama got elected both times. Democrats pointed this out when Walker won the recall. Though not directly, just saying "Look at the amount of money this person got vs what my guy got!. That's why they won!".
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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Using money to buy an ad allows corporations to create "advocacy ads" on specific issues, which can then be used against a candidate's opponent.
    Which is nevertheless speech, and thus cannot be censored.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Secondly, there's not much corporate money in politics, or at least it's dwarfed by individual money which is in turn dwarfed by the influence of the media. Bill O'Reilly and Rachel Maddow get an hour to advocate. Sheldon Adelson has to buy advocacy in 30-second increments. Isn't that unfair that Bill O'Reilly and Rachel Maddow get to speak to the nation, but the average person doesn't?

    It's not the government's job to make us equal, it's the government's job to TREAT us equal. Yet even there, liberals get it wrong. They claim that we should all have the same right to speak, yet want Rachel Maddow to have special protections for her status that I wouldn't be entitled to.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell to Argue Free Speech Case Before Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    You don't have a right to allow your money to silence the opposition either.. Which is what CU does...
    No, it doesn't.

    Of all the truly silly things people say about Citizens United, this one is currently tops.
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