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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    In the old days we did all sorts of inhuman ****, yes. But nowadays we have standards like the Geneva Convention we're supposed to adhere to. And don't give me bull**** about the "unlawful" enemy combatants technically not being subject to those protections. When you're using technicalities to justify violations of human rights, you've already surrendered the moral high ground.
    and when we lose the moral high ground, then we have lost to the terrorists, because they caused so much fear and rage that we have forsaken our own morals.

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    In the old days we did all sorts of inhuman ****, yes. But nowadays we have standards like the Geneva Convention we're supposed to adhere to. And don't give me bull**** about the "unlawful" enemy combatants technically not being subject to those protections. When you're using technicalities to justify violations of human rights, you've already surrendered the moral high ground.
    Yes, let's not consider the Geneva Convention as written. Let's use the Deuce translation.


    If they're guilty of something, the government needs to present its evidence and convict them. In public. It's not particularly critical to me whether this happens in a civilian in court or not, my beef is with the fact that it's happening in secret. Justice done in secret is not justice.
    The government is not about to release all intel gained from the prosecution of these enemy combatants. Expecting such is ridiculous. Using the desire not to divulge such intel as a platform for launching conspiracy theory is pathetic.

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

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    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo | Al Jazeera America

    Although some minor progress has been made im deeply disappointed in this. I was excited in 2008 when he claimed he was going to close it and we got nothing. Then he made his big speech but only 2 detainees have been released to their home governments and this is deeply disappointing and disturbing. It seems Obama has put this back on the backburner.
    I'm all for for keeping Gitmo open and full. I think any AQ terrorist caught regardless of where should be sent there.
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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I'm all for for keeping Gitmo open and full. I think any AQ terrorist caught regardless of where should be sent there.
    Thing is if they are AQ terrorists why do the majority of them let go scott free, why have very very very very very few been convicted?


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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I'm all for for keeping Gitmo open and full. I think any AQ terrorist caught regardless of where should be sent there.
    what makes the prison complex at Guantanamo more preferred then a super max prison?

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Thing is if they are AQ terrorists why do the majority of them let go scott free, why have very very very very very few been convicted?
    the thing is and I forget the exact numbers, of those released some 25%, could have been 28% or there abouts showed back up on the battlefield. I don't remember where I read that or heard that, I haven't followed the Gitmo events for quite a few years. But being retired military, those figures stuck in my head.
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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    the thing is and I forget the exact numbers, of those released some 25%, could have been 28% or there abouts showed back up on the battlefield. I don't remember where I read that or heard that, I haven't followed the Gitmo events for quite a few years. But being retired military, those figures stuck in my head.
    I rememeber seeing a stat like that as well. But the questions remains why not convict them then?


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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what makes the prison complex at Guantanamo more preferred then a super max prison?

    90 miles of ocean and being on a military base.
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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    90 miles of ocean and being on a military base.
    just because it is on a military base, it does not mean something bad cannot happen, like what happened at fort hood.

    besides why is a supermax prison not ideal for the prisoners at Guantanamo? we lock up plenty of psychopathic killers in supermax prisons.

    what is the danger?

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I rememeber seeing a stat like that as well. But the questions remains why not convict them then?
    I think the main reason for Gitmo in the beginning was a detainment center for suspected AQ terrorist. Originally Gitmo wasn't set up to judge or to have tribunals. I think as is the case in most wars the U.S. gets in, those in charge thought the war would be a quick one. No one thought or planned what to do with those detained after the war was over. More of a jump first and look later syndrome.

    I think if Bush or Obama authorized military tribunals then most of these folks at Gitmo could be judged one way or the other. If judged a threat to U.S. security, deal out the proper punishment or prison time. If not, let them go. But again, this is an I think as I have stated, I haven't kept up with the happenings at Gitmo, it was the paper work shufflers, administrative folks that were going over all evidence to find out whether they were a threat or not. Hearings or what ever you want to call them, didn't take place or weren't allowed to take place.

    Gitmo became a political football, once that happened i suppose everyone just opted for the best of no good choices and decided to do nothing.
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