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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

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    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo | Al Jazeera America

    Although some minor progress has been made im deeply disappointed in this. I was excited in 2008 when he claimed he was going to close it and we got nothing. Then he made his big speech but only 2 detainees have been released to their home governments and this is deeply disappointing and disturbing. It seems Obama has put this back on the backburner.
    True. THis is one area where OBama caved to the GOP and never bothered to show backbone.

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

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    fine, then why is a camp like gitmo needed, especially when we have hundreds of high security prisons in mainland America that could suit the purpose of a prision.

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

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    fine, then why is a camp like gitmo needed, especially when we have hundreds of high security prisons in mainland America that could suit the purpose of a prision.
    They are enemy combatants captured in action against the US, not US justice system material.

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    They are enemy combatants captured in action against the US, not US justice system material.
    soldiers serving what army? what flag are they loyal to? what country are they fighting in service for?

    Terrorists have always been considered criminals, what is the reason that the United states decided to define the terrorists in Guantanamo bay as soldiers.

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

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    soldiers serving what army? what flag are they loyal to? what country are they fighting in service for?
    Who said soldiers?

    Terrorists have always been considered criminals, what is the reason that the United states decided to define the terrorists in Guantanamo bay as soldiers.
    They are enemy combatants captured in action against the US. They are not merely terrorists.



    You need to read the Geneva Convention and note the section about non-uniformed enemy combatants.

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Who said soldiers?



    They are enemy combatants captured in action against the US. They are not merely terrorists.



    You need to read the Geneva Convention and note the section about non-uniformed enemy combatants.
    why do we need to create a special designation for the terrorists we are fighting right now, when in the past terrorists have been tried as criminals.

    Timothy Mcvay, Ramsey yousef, the lockerbie bomber. all three were terrorists and they did not have to be designated as enemy combatants.

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    why do we need to create a special designation for the terrorists we are fighting right now, when in the past terrorists have been tried as criminals.

    Timothy Mcvay, Ramsey yousef, the lockerbie bomber. all three were terrorists and they did not have to be designated as enemy combatants.
    If you really do not understand why Gitmo exists, I suppose you should research more and debate less.

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If you really do not understand why Gitmo exists, I suppose you should research more and debate less.
    Guantanamo bay is a u.s military base, one of our prizes won in the Spanish American war.

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    Re: Human rights groups say Obama has failed on Guantanamo

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Gitmo is necessary. Military tribunals are fine for foreign enemy combatants captured in action against the US. In the old days, they'd just be shot.
    In the old days we did all sorts of inhuman ****, yes. But nowadays we have standards like the Geneva Convention we're supposed to adhere to. And don't give me bull**** about the "unlawful" enemy combatants technically not being subject to those protections. When you're using technicalities to justify violations of human rights, you've already surrendered the moral high ground.

    We're supposed to be better than the people we're fighting.

    Here's the thing: not all of these people were captured "in action." Some were literally just handed over by neighbors. For money.

    If they're guilty of something, the government needs to present its evidence and convict them. In public. It's not particularly critical to me whether this happens in a civilian in court or not, my beef is with the fact that it's happening in secret. Justice done in secret is not justice.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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