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    Re: What happens when the U.S. disability fund runs dry?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    It's a shame that well intended programs like this one are hijacked in this way. I think the problem is in execution and oversight though. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
    It has been obvious for a long time the american disability system is abused and there are many people on it quite capable of working, and many doctors who overdiagnose people as disabled. I am not saying there are not disabled people, and that I do not want disability there to cover them. We have to reign this thing in, and there is no incentive to do so. This is not just a problem of financing, this has many other problems with it. It is a self perpetuating system that has every incentive to make itself worse. The government people who administer the funds are all employed because there are disabled people. less people means less employees are needed and that means some of them get canned. plus that also means less funding if they do not use up all of their previous funding so they always have to use it because it means more money comes there way if they need it. This makes it likely that they will be very open to new applicants.

    Then you have the doctors. A person who is disabled should be seeing a doctor a lot more often than a healthy person. This means doctors who want regular customers with problems that require medication they get kickbacks for just need to diagnose people with disability. Tyhe p[atient then has to get approvals and medications and continue treatment for their problem, and that makes money for the doctor. What is even better is now we have the mental disorder people jumping on the bandwagon and declaring people with mental problems disabled. Oh I have social anxiety disorder so I need lots of counseling, some expensive pills, and the government needs to pay me to sit on my ass. Why get over your disorder when you get enough money to sit at home alone and have food clothing and your TV? Why should a doctor cure you when you will just stop seeing them?

    Now the lawyers are jumping in to take a chunk. The lawyers made it so the government will pay the fees for the people trying to get on disability so now it is refuse the person, then they go out and get a lawyer, and then give it to the person and shell more money out to a lawyer who didn't have business before. If you don't think the lawyers got together on that one and said how can we make the laws so we can get more money on both sides from the government you do not know the dirty underhanded lowdown mind of a lawyer. Seriously, what is the future career goal of a lawyer? To become a politician.

    Of course the system is screwed up and there is no reason to change it. It is why I am not overly freaking out over the shutdown. Nope, keep it coming and shut down disability. Yeah, some people will get hurt, and the reason for it sucks, but Oh well. Disabled people sit there and whine about the system that keeps them funded. You would not believe how many jerkoffs there are in the tea party pulling disability or social security, or some form of government assistance who are all for this government shutdown. I say hurt them.

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    Re: What happens when the U.S. disability fund runs dry?

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    You would not believe how many jerkoffs there are in the tea party pulling disability or social security, or some form of government assistance who are all for this government shutdown. I say hurt them.
    It kinda reminds me of the folks demanding that the government stay out of their medicare. I wish the shutdown actually shutdown these sorts of things. Medicare, Medicaid, Disability, and unemployment. Either people demand that the government cut back on those types of spending in the first place or the government fully pays it's obligations. No more of these chumps who want to eat their cake and have it too.

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    Re: What happens when the U.S. disability fund runs dry?

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    It has been obvious for a long time the american disability system is abused and there are many people on it quite capable of working, and many doctors who overdiagnose people as disabled. I am not saying there are not disabled people, and that I do not want disability there to cover them. We have to reign this thing in, and there is no incentive to do so. This is not just a problem of financing, this has many other problems with it. It is a self perpetuating system that has every incentive to make itself worse. The government people who administer the funds are all employed because there are disabled people. less people means less employees are needed and that means some of them get canned. plus that also means less funding if they do not use up all of their previous funding so they always have to use it because it means more money comes there way if they need it. This makes it likely that they will be very open to new applicants.

    Then you have the doctors. A person who is disabled should be seeing a doctor a lot more often than a healthy person. This means doctors who want regular customers with problems that require medication they get kickbacks for just need to diagnose people with disability. Tyhe p[atient then has to get approvals and medications and continue treatment for their problem, and that makes money for the doctor. What is even better is now we have the mental disorder people jumping on the bandwagon and declaring people with mental problems disabled. Oh I have social anxiety disorder so I need lots of counseling, some expensive pills, and the government needs to pay me to sit on my ass. Why get over your disorder when you get enough money to sit at home alone and have food clothing and your TV? Why should a doctor cure you when you will just stop seeing them?

    Now the lawyers are jumping in to take a chunk. The lawyers made it so the government will pay the fees for the people trying to get on disability so now it is refuse the person, then they go out and get a lawyer, and then give it to the person and shell more money out to a lawyer who didn't have business before. If you don't think the lawyers got together on that one and said how can we make the laws so we can get more money on both sides from the government you do not know the dirty underhanded lowdown mind of a lawyer. Seriously, what is the future career goal of a lawyer? To become a politician.

    Of course the system is screwed up and there is no reason to change it. It is why I am not overly freaking out over the shutdown. Nope, keep it coming and shut down disability. Yeah, some people will get hurt, and the reason for it sucks, but Oh well. Disabled people sit there and whine about the system that keeps them funded. You would not believe how many jerkoffs there are in the tea party pulling disability or social security, or some form of government assistance who are all for this government shutdown. I say hurt them.
    So I hear you....but this is a little harsh. There are veterans, children, elderly all who are innocent politically and would suffer personally.
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    Re: What happens when the U.S. disability fund runs dry?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    It kinda reminds me of the folks demanding that the government stay out of their medicare. I wish the shutdown actually shutdown these sorts of things. Medicare, Medicaid, Disability, and unemployment. Either people demand that the government cut back on those types of spending in the first place or the government fully pays it's obligations. No more of these chumps who want to eat their cake and have it too.

    I say just remind them that society has the ability to take care of people who cannot, and before you take the holier than thou I will do it all myself attitude you had better make sure you are actually doing it yourself.

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    Re: What happens when the U.S. disability fund runs dry?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So I hear you....but this is a little harsh. There are veterans, children, elderly all who are innocent politically and would suffer personally.
    I understand that, but people are falling fior the we do not need any government line. I do not believe in the libertarian no government way. I see government as providing necessary services and making our lives better. There are a lot of people taking handouts of their own who want to end those for other people, like donald trump and the corporate welfare gang. They do not want the programs shut down because they are actually conservative, they want those other programs shut down so they can get more for themselves. It seems that many of these people have actually forgotten what we get from government and how good our life is because of that.

    This leads to things like laziness and ignorance. If you do not want to get your ass down to the polls and vote for the people who will get you your programs and outvote those who are trying to strip them from you like the republicans and corporate owned democrats then yes you are fgoing to get hurt. I like social security, but i would love to see it be cut off for all the old faux news watching right wing voting elderly who rely on that program. I would love the republicans to get their way and cut it off and to sit there with the bloody hands on the scissors while the elderly starve to death until the nezxt election when they remember republicans want the death panels.

    I think society can and should do a lot more for people, but until we remind people not to toss the baby out with the bathwater we will not work on programs to actually cut back on the abuses and take a true fiscal responsible mindset of guaranteeing these programs are here in the future by making them efficient and cutting the fraud and abuse. The programs need to be seriously altered, and not cut off. People need to recognize who should be complaining and who should be allowed to roll on the ground and whine like the entitled spoiled brats they are. The only way I see that happening is pain and light the thing on fire and remind people what they take for granted. Yes, that is harsh, but I am perfectly fine with the people who take it the most for granted, aka republicans and conservatives, lighting the fire so we know firmly who to blame.

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