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    re: GOP In Grave Danger Of Losing House In 2014, PPP Polls Show [W:78]

    Perotista, you've convinced me of your wisdom of 30 minority-majority CDs being a huge conundrum within the gerry-mander discussion. Your #s gave me a 3.73 million surplus for 30 m/M Dem CDs. Repubs had a 234-171 seat advantage, or +63 advantage with only a 3.23 million vote surplus.
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    I am with you, it at least keeps far extreme right or left wing legislation from passing.
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    Brother Pero, a +30 Dem. m/M with a 3.73M surplus vs. a +63 Repub. GM with a 3.23M surplus gives a +33 Repub CD with a -0.50M deficit.
    These are a few of the symptons of House gerry-mandering, not the whole House disease. The Senate disease was corrected with the 17th amendment, fact.
    Just another problem with a Republic in the House.
    Thus, we have the same Republic effect in the House, as designed in the Constitution for the Senate, for smaller population states.
    So their is no people's House.
    As you mentioned, the House also has a greater density of Dems per land area, wherever Dems are, as compared to Repubs.
    Dems have less area with representation per person in the House, just as in the Senate.

    And really, Republicans have been favored this way overall since we first began voting as citizens starting in 1824.
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    I am with you, it at least keeps far extreme right or left wing legislation from passing.

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    re: GOP In Grave Danger Of Losing House In 2014, PPP Polls Show [W:78]

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    I think that is common sense, but in Washington and this is a groaner, when ever common sense is talked about, all the Washington politicians check their change purses to make sure they have their cents.
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    re: GOP In Grave Danger Of Losing House In 2014, PPP Polls Show [W:78]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Perotista, you've convinced me of your wisdom of 30 minority-majority CDs being a huge conundrum within the gerry-mander discussion. Your #s gave me a 3.73 million surplus for 30 m/M Dem CDs. Repubs had a 234-171 seat advantage, or +63 advantage with only a 3.23 million vote surplus.
    I'm not done with it. It is only a draft and I will have to chart it out. But I noticed a lot of the Republican wins were by 52-48 or 55-45 vs some 60-40 and 65-35 for quite a lot of Dems. There is a lot of putting together the numbers I have obtained. Give me time on this.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: GOP In Grave Danger Of Losing House In 2014, PPP Polls Show [W:78]

    Another new factor for repubs is that the won't have the ODS hate-Obama drive to get them to vote in 014.
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I'm not done with it. It is only a draft and I will have to chart it out. But I noticed a lot of the Republican wins were by 52-48 or 55-45 vs some 60-40 and 65-35 for quite a lot of Dems. There is a lot of putting together the numbers I have obtained. Give me time on this.

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    re: GOP In Grave Danger Of Losing House In 2014, PPP Polls Show [W:78]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Brother Pero, a +30 Dem. m/M with a 3.73M surplus vs. a +63 Repub. GM with a 3.23M surplus gives a +33 Repub CD with a -0.50M deficit.
    These are a few of the symptons of House gerry-mandering, not the whole House disease. The Senate disease was corrected with the 17th amendment, fact.
    Just another problem with a Republic in the House.
    Thus, we have the same Republic effect in the House, as designed in the Constitution for the Senate, for smaller population states.
    So their is no people's House.
    As you mentioned, the House also has a greater density of Dems per land area, wherever Dems are, as compared to Repubs.
    Dems have less area with representation per person in the House, just as in the Senate.

    And really, Republicans have been favored this way overall since we first began voting as citizens starting in 1824.
    Like I said, give me time and I'll figure it out. Since I first started following politics, it seems the more rural areas were mostly republican strong holds with the cities Democratic bastions.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: GOP In Grave Danger Of Losing House In 2014, PPP Polls Show [W:78]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Another new factor for repubs is that the won't have the ODS hate-Obama drive to get them to vote in 014.
    and the waves of obama bots won't show up either

    remember what happened in 2010? lots of black voters who showed up to vote DEM without thinking didn't show up in 2010 and thats why the dems lost lots of seats they had gained with that group voting in 08



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    re: GOP In Grave Danger Of Losing House In 2014, PPP Polls Show [W:78]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I'm not done with it. It is only a draft and I will have to chart it out. But I noticed a lot of the Republican wins were by 52-48 or 55-45 vs some 60-40 and 65-35 for quite a lot of Dems. There is a lot of putting together the numbers I have obtained. Give me time on this.
    I'll be waiting, along with NIMBY!

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    re: GOP In Grave Danger Of Losing House In 2014, PPP Polls Show [W:78]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think that is common sense, but in Washington and this is a groaner, when ever common sense is talked about, all the Washington politicians check their change purses to make sure they have their cents.
    Okay, Counting down... 3-2-1...groan! :

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    re: GOP In Grave Danger Of Losing House In 2014, PPP Polls Show [W:78]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Another new factor for repubs is that the won't have the ODS hate-Obama drive to get them to vote in 014.
    I do not think in 2010 it was an anti Obama vote that changed the house. I think that year it was a vote against incumbents who failed to listen to the people who voted them into office and they really got peeved enough to vote the bums out. That and counting an excess of Dems who won congressional seats in Rep districts back in 2006 played a role too.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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