Dear Teabaggers, and other moronic right-wing scum:
I am an undercover asset for the USA KGB.
I am taking names, and I do not mean your silly little chat room/message board usernames- those are only leads to the real bosom of your existence, which I have already discovered, or will inevitably discover, soon.
When my master (Chairman-Secretary-Commissar BHO) gives me the word I will knock on your door late at night. You will know me when you see me. I will be dressed in black leather, and I will be irresistibly armed, huge and strong. I will cart you off to Siberia (the real Siberia- we have a new New Deal with the Russians) and you will never be heard from again, except by your slave driving guards, and your pitiful fellow inmates.
Get used to the idea, OK? You need to.
The reality was that the Bush Administration was winding down, and the Clinton Administration was taking over the controls of government. When it happened, Janet Reno was going through confirmation hearings in the Senate.
Federal agencies, and the government itself, assume a life of their own, no matter which party or person happens to occupy the White House.
If you have a link to the ATF being the 'leak' to the press, can you post that?
I agree federal agencies may change who is at the top but the devil is in middle manglement.
Are you suggesting Janet Reno is not part of his administration? She definately knew about this operation.Originally Posted by notquiteright
Even before the raid, there was a report that was sent to the Deputy Attorney General.
I am by no means a pacifist. Events like this and Ruby Ridge are nothing but the government using the laws to exercise their authoritarianism against citizens they don't like. Granted, stupid laws were violated, but these were victimless crimes. The other accusations were actionable. The government agents shouldn't have given any cause for the Dravidian's to think they had to protect themselves.Originally Posted by notquiteright
Wait...Originally Posted by notquiteright
Are you telling me they had no "key evidence" to justify this raid?
Refresh my memory of that prior shootout please. have a link?Originally Posted by notquiteright
Suspected of... So you throw away the 4th amendment? Does suspicion equal probable cause in your mind?
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
further it taarnishes janet renos name because it was a fiasco,the fbi admitted to firing incindiary type cs grenades prior to the fire.janet reno also was one who believed foul play was involved and called for an investigation.
numerous amounts of evidence dissapeared,the entire area was leveled and all forensic evidence destroyed 2 weeks later by the state of texas,for such a thing no govt official would destroy forensic evidence especially when they were already being called for investigation unless they wanted to hide it.
in later trials and investigations,it came down to evidence and tesimony,and since nearly no credible evidence was available,it came down to what little evidence was available,like the fbis recordings of people inside claiming to start the fire,yet so inaudible no jury could understand it and sounded like multiple soud recordings spliced together.
heck you can just go to wikipedia and read the controversies section,
Waco siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the fact they had illegal weapons was never contested except by a few survovors,however how it was handled and the massive gap in evidence as well as the hasty destruction of forensic evidence that would have remained for months or years under much lesser events.
“You can lead a horse to water, but it is probably crowded with all those people you taught to fish.”
These progressive tyrants are presently authoritarians with a totalitarian goal -- guess what? they don't need a military coup to do it -- they just need a bunch of dumb voters that will let government steal their civil liberties via legislation while the dumb voter believes it's for their own good...
These progressive clowns are absolutely Marxists and Marxism is their goal - they don't call it "Marxism" tho - they call it progress...
The best part is that these progressives in government who you believe are trying to help you don't give a **** about you or your family - to them you're nothing but sheep that need to be herded and controlled while they play aristocrats...
I'd argue related...