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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Wow, the bot meme mixed in with the Fascism meme, on a thread about Obama as a Marxist.

    This is wonderfully lush memery!

    wow, two sentences and three examples of meme abuse

    what silliness



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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Dear Teabaggers, and other moronic right-wing scum:

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Well the accounts of the frequency in which David went to town are as varied as the number of people recounting them. Not sure a regular pattern is how most described it. A David Thibodeau, member of the Davidians claims Koresh went to town on an infrequent basis. That same Sheriff was the one who wanted the ATF to investigate the Compound, it was he who called them. I suspect after the deaths the sheriff wanted a good amount of distance between himself and the 'Gubmint'. The crime wasn't being David Koresh it was modifying civilian weapons contrary to the 1986 machine gun ban (Reagan era)

    If Koresh was wanted for say skipping bail I can see waiting to try and catch him in town, but it was for making 'machine guns' and any warning would have the lower receivers stripped of the select fire parts by simply driving out two pins. The best plan would be to have Koresh, the modified weapons all under the same roof.

    I never said the warrant service was well planned or it should have continued once it was known the Davidians had been tipped off. (A reporter asked a relation of Koresh where the compound as, saying there was going to be a raid)

    But it wasn't because 'the Administration' wanted a big score....
    I didn't say 'the Administration' wanted a big score, I said the agency, the ATF, wanted a big story, and that's why it notified the media the day before the incident.

    The reality was that the Bush Administration was winding down, and the Clinton Administration was taking over the controls of government. When it happened, Janet Reno was going through confirmation hearings in the Senate.

    Federal agencies, and the government itself, assume a life of their own, no matter which party or person happens to occupy the White House.

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I didn't say 'the Administration' wanted a big score, I said the agency, the ATF, wanted a big story, and that's why it notified the media the day before the incident. The reality was that the Bush Administration was winding down, and the Clinton Administration was taking over the controls of government. When it happened, Janet Reno was going through confirmation hearings in the Senate. Federal agencies, and the government itself, assume a life of their own, no matter which party or person happens to occupy the White House.
    Well I was talking to Planar and his claim to know what 'the administration' was doing and who pushed for the initial raid.

    If you have a link to the ATF being the 'leak' to the press, can you post that?

    I agree federal agencies may change who is at the top but the devil is in middle manglement.

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Well I was talking to Planar and his claim to know what 'the administration' was doing and who pushed for the initial raid.

    If you have a link to the ATF being the 'leak' to the press, can you post that?

    I agree federal agencies may change who is at the top but the devil is in middle manglement.
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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    None of them have even HEARD of Project Verona or the Pumpkin Papers.
    Of course they haven't.

    Their mentors haven't told them about such facts.

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright
    Didn't answer my question on how you 'know' the Clinton Administration was involved in the warrant service.
    Are you suggesting Janet Reno is not part of his administration? She definately knew about this operation.

    Even before the raid, there was a report that was sent to the Deputy Attorney General.


    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright
    Your pacifist theory of life sounds great, except most 'law and order' CONs would call the Clinton Administration soft on crime.
    I am by no means a pacifist. Events like this and Ruby Ridge are nothing but the government using the laws to exercise their authoritarianism against citizens they don't like. Granted, stupid laws were violated, but these were victimless crimes. The other accusations were actionable. The government agents shouldn't have given any cause for the Dravidian's to think they had to protect themselves.


    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright
    Obviously it can't work in Law Enforcement where the key evidence can be disposed of. Could you imagine a drug raid conducted under the pacifist ROE?
    Wait...

    Are you telling me they had no "key evidence" to justify this raid?


    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright
    You don't go after a man who already had a shoot-out at the compound with the former owner's son, is suspected of altering ARs to be select fire weapons without being VERY aware it is a dangerous situation.

    THAT is the simple fact...
    Refresh my memory of that prior shootout please. have a link?

    Suspected of... So you throw away the 4th amendment? Does suspicion equal probable cause in your mind?

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    NO incendiary rounds were fired. The tape clearly shows people spreading some sort of liquid and massive flames springing up. Survivors report henchmen of Koresh dumping kerosene and setting it on fire.

    The ATF could have and should have taken Koresh in town rather in his compound, but he was violating the arms dealer laws the rest of the valid FFL dealers obey. It was not over reach as the ATF is charged with enforcing firearm sales and David had repeatedly said he would resist, but the assault was poorly planned and executed. The ATF team 'half-assed' it and it bit them.

    It only tarnishes Janet Reno's name in the minds of folks who are very partisan. Most accept mistakes were made but the Davidians torched their own building.
    well initial reports from police and others said different,which changed in court.

    further it taarnishes janet renos name because it was a fiasco,the fbi admitted to firing incindiary type cs grenades prior to the fire.janet reno also was one who believed foul play was involved and called for an investigation.

    numerous amounts of evidence dissapeared,the entire area was leveled and all forensic evidence destroyed 2 weeks later by the state of texas,for such a thing no govt official would destroy forensic evidence especially when they were already being called for investigation unless they wanted to hide it.

    in later trials and investigations,it came down to evidence and tesimony,and since nearly no credible evidence was available,it came down to what little evidence was available,like the fbis recordings of people inside claiming to start the fire,yet so inaudible no jury could understand it and sounded like multiple soud recordings spliced together.

    heck you can just go to wikipedia and read the controversies section,

    Waco siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    the fact they had illegal weapons was never contested except by a few survovors,however how it was handled and the massive gap in evidence as well as the hasty destruction of forensic evidence that would have remained for months or years under much lesser events.
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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Dear Fearful Citizen,

    I don't think you realize that every President that has passed a budget since the Great Depression has been a socialist. Even further than that I am positive you utilize socialistic programs every day, before you start complaining about socialism, stop benefiting from it.

    Thanks,
    Your friendly brain-dead American
    This is SO ****ing far beyond socialism....

    These progressive tyrants are presently authoritarians with a totalitarian goal -- guess what? they don't need a military coup to do it -- they just need a bunch of dumb voters that will let government steal their civil liberties via legislation while the dumb voter believes it's for their own good...

    These progressive clowns are absolutely Marxists and Marxism is their goal - they don't call it "Marxism" tho - they call it progress...

    The best part is that these progressives in government who you believe are trying to help you don't give a **** about you or your family - to them you're nothing but sheep that need to be herded and controlled while they play aristocrats...

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    This is SO ****ing far beyond socialism....

    These progressive tyrants are presently authoritarians with a totalitarian goal -- guess what? they don't need a military coup to do it -- they just need a bunch of dumb voters that will let government steal their civil liberties via legislation while the dumb voter believes it's for their own good...

    These progressive clowns are absolutely Marxists and Marxism is their goal - they don't call it "Marxism" tho - they call it progress...

    The best part is that these progressives in government who you believe are trying to help you don't give a **** about you or your family - to them you're nothing but sheep that need to be herded and controlled while they play aristocrats...
    http://touch.dailymotion.com/video/x...-millions_news

    I'd argue related...

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