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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I do not disagree with using some socialist type policies. the problem is, we have too much of it.

    Note: I just found this thread today, and am going to respond in order. If I cover something already covered.... Sorry.
    No problem, I'm just wondering how do we discern "good socialism" from "bad socialism"
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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Some of 'we' may never decide what happened, I am comfortable with survivor accounts of the henchmen starting the fire. There is certainly no pictures of incendiary rounds being used. Massive evidence the building was very poorly constructed and a fire trap.

    The Clinton Administration didn't order the ATF is arrest Koresh at his home, so the start of your statement is flawed. After the botched raid and Federal agents died after the Davidians opened fire first who really thinks ANY administration would just walk away? Can you see BushII just shrugging, snickering and muttering something about 'ya win some ya lose some.' ???

    The Davidians were given enough time to decide to come out peacefully, 51 days. How many times have the Right Wing 'law and order' types said, only shows you shouldn't run away from the police, or don't be stupid infront of the cops when the perp is someone ya don't like?

    Koresh had a violent past to include a gunfight with the owner's son in a fight for control of the compound. The Rodenville 8 trial ended with a hung jury for Koresh, going by the name- Vernon Howell. in 1989 Howell published his 'New Light' in which he said GAWD told him only he should have sex which the follower's women, the other men should remain celibate.

    Now you are trying a CON game to claim lethal action was taken against civil protest. The 'assault' was done only AFTER Federal agents were killed and the Davidians had been given plenty of time to peacefully surrender. The initial raid was conducted against a paranoid man and his followers known to be armed and defiant. IIRC the investigation into the Davidians came after a package broke during a UPS delivery and revealed the trigger groups. So they were not on anyone's radar screen until the Sheriff alerted the ATF.

    The Davidians were tipped off the raid was coming and armed themselves for a fight. Rather do what 99% of us would have done, they chose to meet a lawful search team with weapons.

    I wonder how supportive most would be if a Paranoid Muslim leader trafficked ARs and full-auto trigger groups had his door kicked in.
    My problem I think stems from the fact that the entire execution of the warrant was amateurish. It's as if the administration wanted a fight. They even prepared for a fight far above normal protocol like stenciling blood-types on themselves. They should have surrounded the grounds and waited them out for as long as it took, considering the thoughts they had for a standoff/battle. They could have reduced the casualties.

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Would that be the same "very large number of people" who vote for the LIBERTARIAN PARTY?
    I doubt very many self identified libertarians agree with me on that.

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    No problem, I'm just wondering how do we discern "good socialism" from "bad socialism"
    LOL...

    Good point. It;'s one of those things I don't place too much thought in, but either accept as good for the "general welfare" or not.

    In general, I'm OK with programs that educate and promote healthy values for one becoming self sufficient. We have too many people who need better education.

    I support social programs for the elderly and handicapped.

    Though I am not very religious in the Christian sense, I like the passage where Jesus (my paraphrase may be a bit off) says "if you give a man a fish, he eats for a day. If you teach him to fish, he eats for a lifetime."

    I am against all social programs that do not hold an able bodied individual responsible to get off such programs.

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    McCarthy was a pompous ass.

    So what.

    He was correct!
    BWHAAHHAHAHH!

    The GOP is largely made up of neo-confederates and neo-McCarthites. What a farce.

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    BWHAAHHAHAHH!

    The GOP is largely made up of neo-confederates and neo-McCarthites. What a farce.
    So?

    I find most of the modern GOP as only twice as good as democrats. As little as I think of democrats, that still very bad...

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    So?

    I find most of the modern GOP as only twice as good as democrats. As little as I think of democrats, that still very bad...
    Sure because being a devotee of discredited and odious political movements like McCarthyism isn't such a bad thing, right? I mean, you think he was right to attack fellow Americans and destroy their lives based on innuendo and paranoia. So I understand where you're coming from. A tea party fact-free zone.

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    No it isn't.

    Legislation passed is making more and more people dependent on government. Once they get enough people "dependent..." They can pretty much scare people into passing what ever form of government they eat!

    The only politicians I respect, are those who wish to make us not dependent on government.
    True Communism relies on actually having hardly any government involved in the economic or social system... The whole theory is that people will naturally be good to others and share their labors. Whenever there has been a large, authoritative, and centralized government involved in Communism, it has FAILED or done the country no good.

    For us not to turn into another USSR, "true" Communists would want statists removed from power, just as much as they would want Libertarians. Communism decries a stateless, classless society. It sounds wonderful but it doesn't work, as either a dictator will rise to power (Dictatorship) or civil war will break out among different parties vying for power.

    When there is power to be had, there will be those who will go after it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    To me, Marxism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism... Very little difference!

    Yes, I know there are nuances, but in my view, they are all evil.
    So as stated above, Socialism and Communism are very different. Communism holds little grounding in reality, while Socialism (depending on its implementation) can hold grounding in society.

    I'd agree that Marxism, Fascism, and Communism, in the real world at least, are severely dangerous ideologies to possess.
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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Some of 'we' may never decide what happened, I am comfortable with survivor accounts of the henchmen starting the fire. There is certainly no pictures of incendiary rounds being used. Massive evidence the building was very poorly constructed and a fire trap.

    The Clinton Administration didn't order the ATF is arrest Koresh at his home, so the start of your statement is flawed. After the botched raid and Federal agents died after the Davidians opened fire first who really thinks ANY administration would just walk away? Can you see BushII just shrugging, snickering and muttering something about 'ya win some ya lose some.' ???

    The Davidians were given enough time to decide to come out peacefully, 51 days. How many times have the Right Wing 'law and order' types said, only shows you shouldn't run away from the police, or don't be stupid infront of the cops when the perp is someone ya don't like?

    Koresh had a violent past to include a gunfight with the owner's son in a fight for control of the compound. The Rodenville 8 trial ended with a hung jury for Koresh, going by the name- Vernon Howell. in 1989 Howell published his 'New Light' in which he said GAWD told him only he should have sex which the follower's women, the other men should remain celibate.

    Now you are trying a CON game to claim lethal action was taken against civil protest. The 'assault' was done only AFTER Federal agents were killed and the Davidians had been given plenty of time to peacefully surrender. The initial raid was conducted against a paranoid man and his followers known to be armed and defiant. IIRC the investigation into the Davidians came after a package broke during a UPS delivery and revealed the trigger groups. So they were not on anyone's radar screen until the Sheriff alerted the ATF.

    The Davidians were tipped off the raid was coming and armed themselves for a fight. Rather do what 99% of us would have done, they chose to meet a lawful search team with weapons.

    I wonder how supportive most would be if a Paranoid Muslim leader trafficked ARs and full-auto trigger groups had his door kicked in.
    A minor pun intended here, but your recollection of Waco is NotQuiteRight.

    The ATF could have had Koresh many many many times, and the local Sheriff, dead now, made that very clear. Koresh had a pattern of behavior in going to town, the Sheriff was familiar with it, and had informed ATF of it.

    The feds wanted a big story, and they got one. There was a video put out about that, but I've long since lost it. The feds were completely responsible for what happened.

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    Re: Marxist Takeover of America - It's Happening Now

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin
    Sure because being a devotee of discredited and odious political movements like McCarthyism isn't such a bad thing, right?
    You have it wrong. It really bothers me to see such false history presented. I never said i had good feelings for McCarthy. I am simply adamant that the hatred for him is unfounded, and based on liberal lies.


    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin
    I mean, you think he was right to attack fellow Americans and destroy their lives based on innuendo and paranoia. So I understand where you're coming from. A tea party fact-free zone.
    Please name one person he attacked that isn't shown to be a spy/traitor, or person of suspect in the unclassified Project Venona.

    Have you ever done such a search, or are you a lemming to propaganda?

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