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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Repubs get their negotiation as soon as the Russian Roulette stops.
    Even for Repub supporters, Repubs have this Nation's stomachs in knots.
    We have to stop phrasing this in their terms. They have the negotiations on Obamacare. It has happened 40 times and they have had 40 losing votes on it. They have run a presidential campaign on it and lost. The argument is done. They lost the negotiations because people wanted it. Now we do it. Do not let them redirect the argument into different terminology because they want to make it sound better. We are funding the measures that have been passed by our legislature and signed into law by the executive. They have every chance to vote on removing Obamacare again and again. They have a chance right now to vote on getting rid of Obamacare, but they can't. There is no negotiations on this because there is nothing to negotiate.

    There is only one thing that needs to be corrected, and that is to have a budget vote able to be proposed by anyone in the house. It should not rely on the speaker's sole discretion to bring it to the floor. Really, they need to start suggesting that fix because I am not blaming the dems for this shutdown, but i will blame them for the next one if they do not remove that power from the speaker.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You hire essential personnel like security guards and you prevent people from defacing it or going inside. Some of us still value our national treasures. You would have us tear them down and put up statues of Ted Cruz?
    *cough* That memorial is privately funded. They just wired it shut because it's on Federal Land. You can stop with the lame we needed security guards nonsense.

    Obama is also booting old people out of their houses. Typical thug trying to maximize pain with "shutdown theatre" just like the sequester jester. On cue his Obots are out in force spewing his talking points with blank staring eyes.

    Obama's Park Service kicks owners out of private Lake Mead homes over shutdown - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com

    And this is the guy who is going to control and ration our HC?

    What could possibly go wrong?

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    *cough* That memorial is privately funded. They just wired it shut because it's on Federal Land. You can stop with the lame we needed security guards nonsense.

    Obama is also booting old people out of their houses. Typical thug trying to maximize pain with "shutdown theatre" just like the sequester jester. On cue his Obots are out in force spewing his talking points with blank staring eyes.

    Obama's Park Service kicks owners out of private Lake Mead homes over shutdown - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com

    And this is the guy who is going to control and ration our HC?

    What could possibly go wrong?
    Those people built their homes on federal land and as part of their lease requirements, must have a second home.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Removing that power would surely have roadblocks.
    We are not dealing with rationale people, and haven't been for 56 months.
    My latest is to describe this as the House Repub version of a filibuster, by adding policy riders and poison pills.
    Of course they know better.
    "But we want something out of this, but I can't tell you what it is." LOL
    I see the debt ceiling getting solved before the CR.
    As for under the table agreements, Dems are probably floating:
    Keystone, which Obama has signalled reluctant acceptance on;
    the medical device tax, which 76 Senators support removing;
    even chained CPI, which Obama previously floated;
    the 986 billion Repub figure which Dems agreed to and now Repubs want to lower it more(there go the goalposts)
    It was nice to hear from you.
    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    We have to stop phrasing this in their terms. They have the negotiations on Obamacare. It has happened 40 times and they have had 40 losing votes on it. They have run a presidential campaign on it and lost. The argument is done. They lost the negotiations because people wanted it. Now we do it. Do not let them redirect the argument into different terminology because they want to make it sound better. We are funding the measures that have been passed by our legislature and signed into law by the executive. They have every chance to vote on removing Obamacare again and again. They have a chance right now to vote on getting rid of Obamacare, but they can't. There is no negotiations on this because there is nothing to negotiate.

    There is only one thing that needs to be corrected, and that is to have a budget vote able to be proposed by anyone in the house. It should not rely on the speaker's sole discretion to bring it to the floor. Really, they need to start suggesting that fix because I am not blaming the dems for this shutdown, but i will blame them for the next one if they do not remove that power from the speaker.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Those people built their homes on federal land and as part of their lease requirements, must have a second home.
    They weren't booted out of their homes during any prior shut downs

    Not to fear Obama's golf course remains open

    http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2...m-the-Shutdown

    Wake up

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Removing that power would surely have roadblocks.
    We are not dealing with rationale people, and haven't been for 56 months.
    My latest is to describe this as the House Repub version of a filibuster, by adding policy riders and poison pills.
    Of course they know better.
    "But we want something out of this, but I can't tell you what it is." LOL
    I see the debt ceiling getting solved before the CR.
    As for under the table agreements, Dems are probably floating:
    Keystone, which Obama has signalled reluctant acceptance on;
    the medical device tax, which 76 Senators support removing;
    even chained CPI, which Obama previously floated;
    the 986 billion Repub figure which Dems agreed to and now Repubs want to lower it more(there go the goalposts)
    It was nice to hear from you.
    This is what I am saying. We have to stop getting distracted by the hissy fit andf figure out how we stop the hissy fit from happening and demand we get some people in there who can do it. Or at least trick the people in power into supporting something that would stop their stupidity by telling them it is actually to stop their opponents. This is not just against republicans here because this whole situation is indicative of a general weakness of the system. There should be some method that you can get something to the floor through some other process aside from just the majority speaker. That is a dumb rule overall and i have no problem with getting rid of it. If they want a threshold require something like 150 house members to sign off on it being presented or something. That would stop bull**** like death star proposals and it would fix this problem. This is a bigger problem than Obamacare, and people are being distracted to a different position at this point. If the house was actually voting to hold this up then we would have a different issue, but this is not even being voted on because the minority who is relying on boehner's power is stopping votes. You know next year republicans will be putting all the blame on boehner and pretending they wanted to vote all along. They should be responsible for their actual votes. They should actually have to vote and not just avoid a vote by pretending they know how it will turn out. It may turn out the way they say, but let us get the cogresspoeple on the record voting for it.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Fight fire with more fire.
    They're at it 24/7/365 and will have a whole new set of talking points as soon as Limbaugh speaks tomorrow.
    And then they deny they listen to him and beck as they repeat in toto.

    We're not going to let America forget this time, like we did in 2010.
    Dems are using the "discharge petition" this time, but they messed up the timing and
    they can't bring it to the floor until Oct.28th if it has the needed signatures.
    With that, they are rarely successful.

    I am heartened by the articles I still read on Politico, like Rep. Peter King ripping his own GOP.
    He's still pithed at the way his party treated NY during Sandy but now they all want money in the CO floods.
    I still maintain this is all Cantor and Ryan and we must fight each of their lies and deceptions with the truth.
    It starts with Martin Bashir in one forum tomorrow.
    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    This is what I am saying. We have to stop getting distracted by the hissy fit andf figure out how we stop the hissy fit from happening and demand we get some people in there who can do it. Or at least trick the people in power into supporting something that would stop their stupidity by telling them it is actually to stop their opponents. This is not just against republicans here because this whole situation is indicative of a general weakness of the system. There should be some method that you can get something to the floor through some other process aside from just the majority speaker. That is a dumb rule overall and i have no problem with getting rid of it. If they want a threshold require something like 150 house members to sign off on it being presented or something. That would stop bull**** like death star proposals and it would fix this problem. This is a bigger problem than Obamacare, and people are being distracted to a different position at this point. If the house was actually voting to hold this up then we would have a different issue, but this is not even being voted on because the minority who is relying on boehner's power is stopping votes. You know next year republicans will be putting all the blame on boehner and pretending they wanted to vote all along. They should be responsible for their actual votes. They should actually have to vote and not just avoid a vote by pretending they know how it will turn out. It may turn out the way they say, but let us get the cogresspoeple on the record voting for it.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Fight fire with more fire.
    They're at it 24/7/365 and will have a whole new set of talking points as soon as Limbaugh speaks tomorrow.
    And then they deny they listen to him and beck as they repeat in toto.

    We're not going to let America forget this time, like we did in 2010.
    Dems are using the "discharge petition" this time, but they messed up the timing and
    they can't bring it to the floor until Oct.28th if it has the needed signatures.
    With that, they are rarely successful.

    I am heartened by the articles I still read on Politico, like Rep. Peter King ripping his own GOP.
    He's still pithed at the way his party treated NY during Sandy but now they all want money in the CO floods.
    I still maintain this is all Cantor and Ryan and we must fight each of their lies and deceptions with the truth.
    It starts with Martin Bashir in one forum tomorrow.
    This is one of their last grabs at power. No longer can moderate republicans stand and say we are not part of this extreme so please do not vote for my oppoment. The fact that they have fix noise and Puff Limbaugh doesn't mean much when the audience is not the middle ground. That is the problem with them. Fanatics tend to read the news and everything on faux, but is that message getting to the middle, and it is not. It is firing up their base which is a slipping majority. They really do not get it that when you wstrike a no compromise pose you will not take the reasonable middle no matter how much fight you have in you. They are just turning things to the dems because peopl;e are going to realize a stupid government is better than no government because of this action. In 2014 they cannot say let us make everything republican because obama sits on top and they cannot get beyond that until 2016. EWven impeachment will not help because they will just have biden. So the next election they have pushed the curve to the left while leaving the mass of people in the center, and asfter all of this recovery gets squashed due to their meddling people are going to be sick of hearing it. They have been whining way too long to pretend this is just one issue they are fighting the good fight on. This is their spoiled fit because the dems have gotten some small things done that they do not like. This is the pushback from the right trying to tell the country they will crash it if we do not buckle under and make it a christian right nation, and the methodology to do this should be removed. It gives wauy too much power to whoever is the speaker and that just is not right. I hope that people stay focussed when this all ends and we get something into place that allows for a bill to be presented without the speaker's approval. There is always an override to one man's stupidity, and in this case there is not one that is good enough and it needs to be changed.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    The GOP shut down the government and Issa wants to investigate why it shut down. The farce is complete.

    House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures - Darren Goode - POLITICO.com
    Nice spin there HoJ. A government shut down means people in the government not going to work unless they are in essential jobs. Which park service is not one of. Instead of those park service personnel not going to work they went to work, along with barriers being put in place (which costs extra money) and are actively trying to keep people out. I can see actively keeping people out of a building. But open air monuments? 1,100 miles of ocean? Biscayne national Park with 173 thousand acres? Why are they being actively prevented from going in?
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Vandalism anyone? Forest fires ? Etc etc
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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