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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    No it is isn't. If it was Romney all the way, then it wouldn't have cuts to medicare reimbursement, new taxes, and restrictions to medical underwriting. Those are Obama all the way. Stop pretending.
    Romneycare imposed new taxes. But since you deny reality, there's no helping you. You're in late stage Obamaphobia. A sad case.


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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You should reread what I said. Complete dodge.
    Not really.
    Both Obamacare and Romneycare have individual mandates and fines/taxes if citizens do not buy healthcare.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Romneycare imposed new taxes. But since you deny reality, there's no helping you. You're in late stage Obamaphobia. A sad case.


    How Romneycare is like Obamacare on taxes - Salon.com

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    It seems you don't understand the difference between fees/penalties, and taxes. Seems I should just cut this conversation now, because nothing I'm going to say is going to get it through to you.....

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Not really.
    Both Obamacare and Romneycare have individual mandates and fines/taxes if citizens do not buy healthcare.
    You're right. And Obamacare also has restrictions on medical underwriting, new taxes, and cuts to Medicare reimbursement. As well as far more comprehensive coverage requirements. So don't pretend like they are the same law, that's like pretending 1=2 because they are both an integer greater then 0.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The way I read the President's quote is that he said that within two decades the ACA will reduce the deficit by over $1 trillion.

    According to the article I posted the figure for the deficit reduction after two decades is around a trillion..



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    So I will agree maybe he was off by a few billion.

    Come-on Minnie - it's simple math. If it costs the country $1.2 trillion between 2012 and 2022, it would have to bring in $2.2 trillion in the second decade for the President to be accurate and truthful. Even your rosy liberal "journalists" claim that it will reduce the "deficit", not "debt", by $1 trillion in the second decade remains a net cost to the country of $200 billion over those 20 years. Now how is that "off by a few billion" unless you consider $1.2 trillion "a few billion"?

    I considered your posts to be intellectually honest attempts at discussion but these past ones on this thread have me questioning why I accepted your interpretations on other threads. I'll be far more skeptical of your "facts" in the future.
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Come-on Minnie - it's simple math. If it costs the country $1.2 trillion between 2012 and 2022, it would have to bring in $2.2 trillion in the second decade for the President to be accurate and truthful. Even your rosy liberal "journalists" claim that it will reduce the "deficit", not "debt", by $1 trillion in the second decade remains a net cost to the country of $200 billion over those 20 years. Now how is that "off by a few billion" unless you consider $1.2 trillion "a few billion"?

    I considered your posts to be intellectually honest attempts at discussion but these past ones on this thread have me questioning why I accepted your interpretations on other threads. I'll be far more skeptical of your "facts" in the future.
    Apparently you do you do not understand how the cost will brought down.

    You are using the figures at face value.

    By about 2017 , 2018 the fees and the savings will make up for monies spent and the USA will be lower than the deficit neural mark. take a look at the graph in the article I linked.
    The following 10 years " about another 1 trillion" will be saved. Therefore our deficit will have been reduced by one trillion in 20 years time.
    Last edited by minnie616; 10-09-13 at 09:17 AM. Reason: To add look at graph
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Apparently you do you do not understand how the cost will brought down.

    You are using the figures at face value.

    By about 2017 , 2018 the fees and the savings will make up for monies spent and the USA will be lower than the deficit neural mark. take a look at the graph in the article I linked.
    The following 10 years " about another 1 trillion" will be saved. Therefore our deficit will have been reduced by one trillion in 20 years time.
    The law will fail by then. Your graph is based on far too rosy assumptions that I can tell you will not come true. Sorry.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Some are kept on the payroll to keep people out.
    Then why not just pay those people to not do that?

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You're right. And Obamacare also has restrictions on medical underwriting, new taxes, and cuts to Medicare reimbursement. As well as far more comprehensive coverage requirements. So don't pretend like they are the same law, ....
    As far requirements goes for individuals Romneycare and Obamacare are basically the same. Both require almost all US citizens
    ( it is problematic to insure the homeless and individuals who are " off the grid ") to buy health insurance or pay a fine/ fee.

    Obamacare has more regulations for health care providers, hospitals, nursing homes, doctors, and insurance companies because the ACA is also trying to make medical care costs more affordable.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Then why not just pay those people to not do that?
    Liability is one reason.
    I think it has already been mentioned.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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