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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Jesus. The ACA is based almost exclusively on Romeycare. Romney care is an idea that was spawned by conservative think tanks, espoused by conservative blowhards like Gingrich, and passed by a conservative governor. Weirdly it doesn't work that bad.

    Now, get back to your ahistorical meme that somehow ACA isn't a conservative program meant to avoid single payer.
    I don't remember the part of Romneycare that drove up costs 60-100% on those under 35 by restricting medical underwriting and cut $716 billion in reimbursements to Medicare. Somehow I also seemed to have missed the part of Romneycare that enacted any new taxes. Perhaps you could remind me?

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Based on your post, it appears you do disagree with it...then again, you seem to have a tenuous grasp for any version of reality since you seem to think that the thousand page bill, covering all manners of provisions and regulations, that is the ACA is basically "individual mandate" since all your post did was attempt to tie a singular individuals support of something that ALSO included an individual mandate to being broad republican support for the entire "Framework" of ALL of the ACA.

    Perhaps if you meant JUST the mandate you should've claimed JUST the mandate, you claimed the ACA as a whole.

    Also, I'm having issues understanding the consistency of some people so just wanting to clear something up....are you suggesting a legislative action, proposed by a few members of a party, but ultimately failing to actually be successful at garnering support and passing through the congress is legitimately able to be claimed as being a "Framework" created by "The party" in question?

    Because if so....just to stay with the asinine consistency of your argument, the withholding of government funding if a passed legislative action isn't funded is simply building off "the framework" of "the democrats" in 2007.

    Try and twist it as you will, the basic concept of the ACA is quite close to that of the Heritage Foundation plan of 1992. Of course with the additional experience of Romneycare in Massachusetts.

    As a socialist, I would much prefer the single-payer system found in most to the developed nations but it appears to be so frightening to the right, they will continue to do everything possible to obstruct improving the health of American citizens. Free market capitalism is not the way to get the best results in healthcare.
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I don't remember the part of Romneycare that drove up costs 60-100% on those under 35 by restricting medical underwriting and cut $716 billion in reimbursements to Medicare. Somehow I also seemed to have missed the part of Romneycare that enacted any new taxes. Perhaps you could remind me?
    Since your premise is a pure fabrication, it explains why you don't remember it.

    By the way:

    http://www.salon.com/2012/06/29/how_...care_on_taxes/

    In 2008, when Romney was running for president for the first time, ABC News host Charlie Gibson asked him during a New Hampshire debate, “Governor … you imposed tax penalties in Massachusetts?” Romney replied, “Yes, we said, look, if people can afford to buy it, either buy the insurance or pay your own way; don’t be free riders.” It was the same debate in which he infamously declared, “I like mandates.”

    In 2006, Romney explained in a Powerpoint presentation how the state would enforce his mandate. “We will withhold any of their tax refund” for people who don’t purchase insurance, he said. The former governor said the same thing in a 2009 interview with CNN: “There are a number of ways to encourage people to get insurance, and what we did, we said ‘you’re going to lose a tax exemption if you don’t have insurance.


    Maybe you should check the facts before repeating the rightwing memo on this.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Since your premise is a pure fabrication, it explains why you don't remember it.

    By the way:

    How Romneycare is like Obamacare on taxes - Salon.com

    In 2008, when Romney was running for president for the first time, ABC News host Charlie Gibson asked him during a New Hampshire debate, “Governor … you imposed tax penalties in Massachusetts?” Romney replied, “Yes, we said, look, if people can afford to buy it, either buy the insurance or pay your own way; don’t be free riders.” It was the same debate in which he infamously declared, “I like mandates.”

    In 2006, Romney explained in a Powerpoint presentation how the state would enforce his mandate. “We will withhold any of their tax refund” for people who don’t purchase insurance, he said. The former governor said the same thing in a 2009 interview with CNN: “There are a number of ways to encourage people to get insurance, and what we did, we said ‘you’re going to lose a tax exemption if you don’t have insurance.


    Maybe you should check the facts before repeating the rightwing memo on this.
    What are you talking about? Penalties aren't defined as taxes under the Mass state constitution. Besides, if the penalties for the ACA were the ONLY costs pushed on the public... you might have a point.

    Anyways, everything you just said is a red herring to the highest degree. I never said anything about the individual mandate, so why did you bring it up? Its not the similarities we are discussing here... but the differences. And the differences ARE restriction of medical underwriting, cuts to reimbursement, and the overall cost of the competitive laws. That is where you lost this debate, and for you to make this about mandates (which I never brought up) is COMPLETELY dishonest.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Again - I prefer the President's own words against the report of the CBO, not someone's interpretation of the report of the CBO. ...
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    ...

    "This legislation will also lower costs for families and for businesses and for the federal government, reducing our deficit by over $1 trillion in the next two decades. ..."

    President Barack Obama Remarks by the President and Vice President at Signing of the Health Insurance Reform Bill The White House, The Office of the Press Secretary March 23, 2010
    The way I read the President's quote is that he said that within two decades the ACA will reduce the deficit by over $1 trillion.

    According to the article I posted the figure for the deficit reduction after two decades is around a trillion..


    As time goes on, the savings are projected to grow more quickly than the spending, and CBO expects that the law.will
    cut the deficit by around a trillion dollars in its second decade.
    11 facts about the Affordable Care Act

    So I will agree maybe he was off by a few billion.
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    What are you talking about? Penalties aren't defined as taxes under the Mass state constitution. Besides, if the penalties for the ACA were the ONLY costs pushed on the public... you might have a point.

    Anyways, everything you just said is a red herring to the highest degree. I never said anything about the individual mandate, so why did you bring it up? Its not the similarities we are discussing here... but the differences. And the differences ARE restriction of medical underwriting, cuts to reimbursement, and the overall cost of the competitive laws. That is where you lost this debate, and for you to make this about mandates (which I never brought up) is COMPLETELY dishonest.
    Do you feel better when you quibble and play pretend?

    Bottomline: ACA is Romney and Romneycare is a conservative republican program from start to finish.

    Now, spin away and hope nobody notices.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    That scenic pull-out at Mt Rushmore never had security. Why does it suddenly need it now?

    And don't spout the party line about channeling traffic. That's clearly a ruse as it was never necessary before, either.

    Explain that one. (Minnie616 apparently couldn't and gave up.)
    Nope I did not give up...

    Fox news reports that: There may have may have been a misunderstanding because Mount Rushmore park officials say the cones were put up to channel traffic to viewing areas.



    Perhaps it was a misunderstanding.

    The Argus Leader reports that state officials were told they were put up to "channel cars" into certain viewing areas.
    Some of the cones were later taken down. [/QUOTE]

    7 things the government shut down that saved practically nothing | Fox News
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Do you feel better when you quibble and play pretend?

    Bottomline: ACA is Romney and Romneycare is a conservative republican program from start to finish.

    Now, spin away and hope nobody notices.
    No it is isn't. If it was Romney all the way, then it wouldn't have cuts to medicare reimbursement, new taxes, and restrictions to medical underwriting. Those are Obama all the way. Stop pretending.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I don't remember the part of Romneycare that drove up costs 60-100% on those under 35 by restricting medical underwriting and cut $716 billion in reimbursements to Medicare. Somehow I also seemed to have missed the part of Romneycare that enacted any new taxes. Perhaps you could remind me?
    From this Forbes article:


    On April 12, 2006, Massachusetts governor and now presidential candidate Mitt Romney happily signed the landmark Massachusetts Healthcare Reform Act into law at historic Faneuil Hall. As a result, the state, known as a world class medical center, has the most affordable healthcare insurance in the country. It’s healthcare costs are high, but that no longer impedes 99% of the state from having affordable coverage, according to the Blue Cross Blue Shield Foundation, the non profit independent foundation of private state insurance firm Blue Cross & Blue Shield.

    Every resident is required by law to have insurance, or pay a fine. To date, 99% of the state’s residents have health insurance, up from around 90% before healthcare reform.


    If ObamaCare Is So Bad, How Does RomneyCare Survive? - Forbes
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    You should reread what I said. Complete dodge.

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