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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures[W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    The GOP shut down the government and Issa wants to investigate why it shut down. The farce is complete.

    House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures - Darren Goode - POLITICO.com
    So can you tell us why letsmove.gov is still online if we don't have funding for momuments and Amber Alerts? OH WAIT A MINUTE THIS JUST IN, we do have funding for Amber Alerts. Seems this "lack of funding" you speak of is more political then reality.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If vandalism is the concern for closing the state parks, please explain how somebody could vandalize the ocean.
    If this is a serious question, you are obviously not a person who has spent much time on the water, or in it? Also, the area closed off Biscayne National Park and Everglades National Park could hardly be called "ocean" as the average depth is approximately 10 feet. Trying to take a short cut one year with a 37 ft sailboat, instead of travelling down to Key West and then into the Gulf, I passed thru the Seven Mile Bridge. With a six and half foot draft, it was a tense few hours before we were into deeper water.


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    Some of the mental gymnastics by those on the far left in attempting to justify some of the closures is truly impressive. I feel like I got a work-out just reading some of this stuff.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It was proposed by some republicans. Other republicans proposed an entirely different kind of legislation. It never gained anything near across the board Republican support, and was even quickly abandoned the same year once additional information regarding the costs of the plan would occur. Furthermore, there are a plethora of differences between that 92 plan and the ACA in a variety of ways that makes the assertion that one is basically equal to the other and should be equally supported patently dishonest. Finally, you're speaking of a TWO DECADES old piece of legislation that never gained significant steam or support, put forward at a time where the historic norm of the day was that Republicans would likely rarely, if ever, have a chance of actually negotiating form a superior position within Congress and thus had to significantly compromise from the very onset for almost any measure...significantly different than the political climate now where we it's became clear that there is legitimate opportunities to control congress and thus massively compromising all the time isn't the ONLY chance the Republicans have to ever get anything passed.

    But forgive me for interrupting your throw away bit of propaganda.

    I disagree with your version of history.

    In a beautiful example of playing with words, we have an op-ed piece from the man who devised the Heritage healthcare plan in opposition to the Clinton plan in 1992-3.
    Don't blame Heritage for ObamaCare mandate

    Nevertheless, the myth persists. ObamaCare "adopts the 'individual mandate' concept from the conservative Heritage Foundation," Jonathan Alter wrote recently in The Washington Post. MSNBC's Chris Matthews makes the same claim, asserting that Republican support of a mandate "has its roots in a proposal by the conservative Heritage Foundation." Former House speaker Nancy Pelosi and others have made similar claims.

    The confusion arises from the fact that 20 years ago, I held the view that as a technical matter, some form of requirement to purchase insurance was needed in a near-universal insurance market to avoid massive instability through "adverse selection" (insurers avoiding bad risks and healthy people declining coverage). At that time, President Clinton was proposing a universal health care plan, and Heritage and I devised a viable alternative.

    My view was shared at the time by many conservative experts, including American Enterprise Institute (AEI) scholars, as well as most non-conservative analysts.
    So his "mandate" wasn't the same as the Obama "mandate" because he says so and also because he has now changed his mind. Uh-huh, that works really well with the rational. Basically, Mr Butler is playing with definitions in an attempt to deny that his plan provided a "framework" for the Affordable Care Act.

    Please - "framework" and "roots" are not statements that the Heritage Foundation basically wrote the ACA. They are instead meant to tell people that the righties had in their plan back in 1992 proposed mandatory private health insurance for all at one time but now that it has been implemented by those "others" - it's not really what they meant.
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Whenever Darrell Issa is brought up in conversation, the word "hypocrite" always comes to mind

    Federal Judge Smacks Down Darrell Issa Demand for Exemption from GOP-Engineered Shutdown | The Hinterland Gazette
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    What do your think the investigation would reveal? That politician do things for political reasons that Park Service rangers don't approve of?

    This is classic political theater. The government is shutdown, and Obama's people believe that it's best to keep that in the forefront of peoples minds, because they believes it supports his position.

    Do you really need an investigation for that?
    Yes, people need to be constantly remind how politicians abuse their power.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I disagree.
    Defunding the ACA will not save the USA money and The President never promised it would save country hundreds of billions when fully implemented.

    You seem to be confusing the ACA with the original plan which was supposed to include a public option in the exchanges.

    Once the public option was eliminated so were most of the savings.

    With the ACA the rate of costs will be slowed but not necessarily lowered.
    You can disagree, but you can't establish your own facts.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures[W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    So can you tell us why letsmove.gov is still online if we don't have funding for momuments and Amber Alerts? OH WAIT A MINUTE THIS JUST IN, we do have funding for Amber Alerts. Seems this "lack of funding" you speak of is more political then reality.
    I think an investigation is in order!

    BWHHAHAHAHAH!

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It was proposed by some republicans. Other republicans proposed an entirely different kind of legislation. It never gained anything near across the board Republican support, and was even quickly abandoned the same year once additional information regarding the costs of the plan would occur. Furthermore, there are a plethora of differences between that 92 plan and the ACA in a variety of ways that makes the assertion that one is basically equal to the other and should be equally supported patently dishonest. Finally, you're speaking of a TWO DECADES old piece of legislation that never gained significant steam or support, put forward at a time where the historic norm of the day was that Republicans would likely rarely, if ever, have a chance of actually negotiating form a superior position within Congress and thus had to significantly compromise from the very onset for almost any measure...significantly different than the political climate now where we it's became clear that there is legitimate opportunities to control congress and thus massively compromising all the time isn't the ONLY chance the Republicans have to ever get anything passed.

    But forgive me for interrupting your throw away bit of propaganda.
    Jesus. The ACA is based almost exclusively on Romeycare. Romney care is an idea that was spawned by conservative think tanks, espoused by conservative blowhards like Gingrich, and passed by a conservative governor. Weirdly it doesn't work that bad.

    Now, get back to your ahistorical meme that somehow ACA isn't a conservative program meant to avoid single payer.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Considering the past behaviour of Republicans in this matter, that is demanding one concession this time then still more at the next round of talks, I think the President is right in refusing to negotiate on the ACA. Unlike the righties who continually babble about his Marxist tendencies, I see the President as slightly conservative and willing to accept many actions that have been proposed by Republicans during past administrations.

    The whole framework of "Obamacare" was proposed by Republicans as an alternative to the Clinton's healthcare plans in 1992-3 but now that Black Guy in the White House has successfully moved it to the stage of implementation, it becomes socialism. Weird
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