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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm sorry - what part of representative government don't you understand or respect? If the people in a politician's district, otherwise known as the constituents he/she represents, expect their representative to keep their promises and do as they say when they got elected, how is that funny? .
    My "too funny" comment was to what you posted about the Tea Party representatives are interested in the financial health of our country ...not the fact that they are trying to defund the ACA.

    Edited to add ...
    now you finally admit that they just trying to keep promises made so they can be reelected.
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    So the people that want to see the prudent memorials built in the area should just demand to speak in front of them - problem solved?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    As I understand it, that's a "1st Amendment event" and cannot legally be denied over something like a government shutdown.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    My "too funny" comment was to what you posted about the Tea Party representatives are interested in the financial health of our country ...not the fact that they are trying to defund the ACA.

    Edited to add ...
    now you finally admit that they just trying to keep promises made so they can be reelected.
    Isn't that what pretty much all politician do, regardless of party affiliation?


    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    So the people that want to see the prudent memorials built in the area should just demand to speak in front of them - problem solved?
    I didn't say it was right or wrong, good or bad, I just explained the difference.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually while I totally agree with you that this is both parties fault I do have to say that Republicans actually are compromising more than the Democrats on this. Republicans first demanded that Obamacare get totally defunded. When Democrats said no to that the Republicans reduced their demand to allowing regular civilians the same exentions that both Big Business and Congress got. Where as Democrats have said no to everything regarding this situation.

    Considering the past behaviour of Republicans in this matter, that is demanding one concession this time then still more at the next round of talks, I think the President is right in refusing to negotiate on the ACA. Unlike the righties who continually babble about his Marxist tendencies, I see the President as slightly conservative and willing to accept many actions that have been proposed by Republicans during past administrations.

    The whole framework of "Obamacare" was proposed by Republicans as an alternative to the Clinton's healthcare plans in 1992-3 but now that Black Guy in the White House has successfully moved it to the stage of implementation, it becomes socialism. Weird
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    My "too funny" comment was to what you posted about the Tea Party representatives are interested in the financial health of our country ...not the fact that they are trying to defund the ACA.

    Edited to add ...
    now you finally admit that they just trying to keep promises made so they can be reelected.
    Firstly, defunding all or part of the ACA is showing an interest in the financial health of your country. Since Obama and Democrats promised that the ACA wouldn't cost the federal government any money and when fully implemented in 10 years would save the country hundreds of billions, just what funding is needed? Shouldn't it be self-funded if Obama and Democrats actually kept their election promises?

    Secondly, I didn't "finally admit" anything. I've been saying for month, years, decades, that politicians who get elected on certain promises should keep their promises or lose their seats. What's new about respecting tea party candidates who are doing just that. I respect that they are keeping their promises and hope that the people who elected them will respect and honor those promises kept by reelecting them and more like them.
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Speaking of "high ground" and the Administration's lack of it here, it's funny that rallies they're sympathetic to can still happen on the "closed" National Mall:

    Park Service OKs immigration reform rally on 'closed' National Mall | WashingtonExaminer.com


    And the President's favorite golf course is still open on an air force base, while grocery stores at army bases have been closed due to the shutdown:

    Troops Forage for Food While Golfers Play On in Shutdown - Bloomberg

    You really should read your cited/linked articles before using them as support for your viewpoint

    Park Service OKs immigration reform rally on 'closed' National Mall | WashingtonExaminer.com
    Susana Flores, a spokesperson for the rally, confirmed for the Washington Examiner that the Park Service will allow the event to take place under the group's rights granted by the First Amendment.
    Troops Forage for Food While Golfers Play On in Shutdown - Bloomberg
    The seeming randomness of the U.S. government’s first shutdown in 17 years can be explained in part by anomalies in the spending Congress does and doesn’t control. Activities funded by fees from drug, financial-services and other companies are insulated from year-to-year budget dysfunction. The ones that get a budget from Congress get hit.

    The Andrews Air Force Base golf course is funded through user fees and that’s why it remains open, said Air Force Captain Lindy Singleton, chief of public affairs for the 11th Wing at Andrews.
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You really should read your cited/linked articles before using them as support for your viewpoint
    I'm fully aware of what they said. These are excuses. There are plenty of privately-funded areas/facilities shut down over the objections of the owners simply because they sit on federal land, or their parking lots do, and there are plenty of permits denied. You should pay more attention.

    This level of shutdown of park/memorial land is unprecedented as to any other government shutdown.
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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The whole framework of "Obamacare" was proposed by Republicans as an alternative to the Clinton's healthcare plans in 1992-3
    It was proposed by some republicans. Other republicans proposed an entirely different kind of legislation. It never gained anything near across the board Republican support, and was even quickly abandoned the same year once additional information regarding the costs of the plan would occur. Furthermore, there are a plethora of differences between that 92 plan and the ACA in a variety of ways that makes the assertion that one is basically equal to the other and should be equally supported patently dishonest. Finally, you're speaking of a TWO DECADES old piece of legislation that never gained significant steam or support, put forward at a time where the historic norm of the day was that Republicans would likely rarely, if ever, have a chance of actually negotiating form a superior position within Congress and thus had to significantly compromise from the very onset for almost any measure...significantly different than the political climate now where we it's became clear that there is legitimate opportunities to control congress and thus massively compromising all the time isn't the ONLY chance the Republicans have to ever get anything passed.

    But forgive me for interrupting your throw away bit of propaganda.

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Who would be against investigating this?
    What do your think the investigation would reveal? That politician do things for political reasons that Park Service rangers don't approve of?

    This is classic political theater. The government is shutdown, and Obama's people believe that it's best to keep that in the forefront of peoples minds, because they believes it supports his position.

    Do you really need an investigation for that?

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    Re: House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Firstly, defunding all or part of the ACA is showing an interest in the financial health of your country. Since Obama and Democrats promised that the ACA wouldn't cost the federal government any money and when fully implemented in 10 years would save the country hundreds of billions, just what funding is needed? Shouldn't it be self-funded if Obama and Democrats actually kept their election promises?
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    I disagree.
    Defunding the ACA will not save the USA money and The President never promised it would save country hundreds of billions when fully implemented.

    You seem to be confusing the ACA with the original plan which was supposed to include a public option in the exchanges.

    Once the public option was eliminated so were most of the savings.

    With the ACA the rate of costs will be slowed but not necessarily lowered.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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