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Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her ... [W:190:159]

Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

DVSentinel said:
Need more information to make a real decision.

How old was the "kid" that she kicked out? Obviously it would be wrong to kick a minor out of the house and onto the street.

Would she be considered such a terrible person if she had kicked the son out for other reasons? How about depression? Paranoia? Schizophrenia? I guess since there are treatments for those mental disorders, she would be heartless, so yeah, instead of kicking him out, she should of sought treatment for his sickness/disorder.

Why is disapproval of homosexuality "homophobic"? A phobia is a fear, often an unreasonable one. Just because someone disapproves of homosexuality or homosexual marriage does not in anyway indicate they are acting out of fear.

Why is it ok to call homosexuals "homo" when using the term homophobia but not any other time? Homophobia, the fear of a homo. I guess it could be a fear of humans also, since humans are homo-sapiens. I guess it could be the fear of homo neanderthalensis, but that would be truly unreasonable as they have been extinct for a longtime now. No, homo in general usage is normally the shortening of the term homosexual is probably the most neutral term to use. Gay didn't have any real association prior to it being co-opted and abused.
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:lamo This ought to go over well with the liberal nutjobs around here!

:caution: :alert you are speaking truth and that usually causes a meltdown in their feeble minds!
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Two terrible parents and one very confused kid.... Everyone loses....
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nope only one terrible parent, the other left the door open for the daughter to fix her bigoted hatred
nothing in the story makes the kid confused, he could be but nothign in the story does
only one loser and thats the daughter

if the mom could do this the kid and dad are better off and they dont lose anything.

of course the best case would be the daughter smartens up and they all work it out but since the problem is with the daughter they can only do so much.

like i said i would do the same but i would probably have told her in person and left the door open just like him
then id offer her professional help to deal with her bigotry and hatred and to do family therapy with her
id also give her a time limit to get her act together before i pressed charges against her and fought for custody of my grandchild.
 
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AGENT J said:
obviously not this attitude wanst learned from him
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We dont know that. He could have been a klan member when he was younger, we dont know.
 
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DVSentinel said:
1.)Need more information to make a real decision.

2.)How old was the "kid" that she kicked out? Obviously it would be wrong to kick a minor out of the house and onto the street.
3.) Would she be considered such a terrible person if she had kicked the son out for other reasons? How about depression? Paranoia? Schizophrenia? I guess since there are treatments for those mental disorders, she would be heartless, so yeah, instead of kicking him out, she should of sought treatment for his sickness/disorder.
4.) Why is disapproval of homosexuality "homophobic"? A phobia is a fear, often an unreasonable one. Just because someone disapproves of homosexuality or homosexual marriage does not in anyway indicate they are acting out of fear.
5.) Why is it ok to call homosexuals "homo" when using the term homophobia but not any other time? Homophobia, the fear of a homo. I guess it could be a fear of humans also, since humans are homo-sapiens. I guess it could be the fear of homo neanderthalensis, but that would be truly unreasonable as they have been extinct for a longtime now. No, homo in general usage is normally the shortening of the term homosexual is probably the most neutral term to use. Gay didn't have any real association prior to it being co-opted and abused.
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1.) i agree more info would be nice but based on the info now im good with my decesion
2.) from the articles its seems he is def a minor
3.) yes she would and homosexuality is not a mental disorder
4.) you answered your own question and i agree
5.) many things are like this, just a decade ago retard, retarded, retardation was the pc term now, some find it offensive because of its slur usage
 
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CRUE CAB said:
We dont know that. He could have been a klan member when he was younger, we dont know.
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what? lol
that doesnt make sense, what are you trying to say?
 
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AGENT J said:
nope only one terrible parent, the other left the door open for the daughter to fix her bigoted hatred
nothing in the story makes the kid confused, he could be but nothign in the story does
only one loser and thats the daughter

if the mom could do this the kid and dad are better off and they dont lose anything.

of course the best case would be the daughter smartens up and they all work it out but since the problem is with the daughter they can only do so much.

like i said i would do the same but i would probably have told her in person and left the door open just like him
then id offer her professional help to deal with her bigotry and hatred and to do family therapy with her
id also give her a time limit to get her act together before i pressed charges against her and fought for custody of my grandchild.
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
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AGENT J said:
what? lol
that doesnt make sense, what are you trying to say?
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That she picked up that prejudice somewhere. I would bet money it was from her parents.
 
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DVSentinel said:
Need more information to make a real decision.

How old was the "kid" that she kicked out? Obviously it would be wrong to kick a minor out of the house and onto the street.

Would she be considered such a terrible person if she had kicked the son out for other reasons? How about depression? Paranoia? Schizophrenia? I guess since there are treatments for those mental disorders, she would be heartless, so yeah, instead of kicking him out, she should of sought treatment for his sickness/disorder.

Why is disapproval of homosexuality "homophobic"? A phobia is a fear, often an unreasonable one. Just because someone disapproves of homosexuality or homosexual marriage does not in anyway indicate they are acting out of fear.

Why is it ok to call homosexuals "homo" when using the term homophobia but not any other time? Homophobia, the fear of a homo. I guess it could be a fear of humans also, since humans are homo-sapiens. I guess it could be the fear of homo neanderthalensis, but that would be truly unreasonable as they have been extinct for a longtime now. No, homo in general usage is normally the shortening of the term homosexual is probably the most neutral term to use. Gay didn't have any real association prior to it being co-opted and abused.
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Let's go point by point to show why you don't need more info, you're just trying to give yourself cover.

The grandpa stated he now has to "raise" his grandson, suggesting he is at the least under the age of 18.

Homosexuality is not a sickness or disorder, so the comparison is idiotic. At worst, it's akin it being a geek (in terms of being a mix of nature and nurture creating ones personality and interests/likes) and at best it's akin to being left handed or ginger.

Next, a phobia is an irration fear OR aversion to something. Kicking out and disowning your child based around their sexual preference is definitely something where a reasonable argument could be made that the individual has an irrational aversion to homosexuality. While I agree the term is over used, that general overuse doesn't excuse your misunderstanding of the meaning nor your attempt to counter specific incidents

Homophobia is not more "the fear of HOMOS" than arachnophobia is "the fear of ARACHNOS"

Phobias do not typically use the entire work to create the phobias designation. Homophobia is the irrational fear or aversion of homosexuality just like arachnophobia is the irrational fear or aversion of Arachnids.

As to the shortening of it, let me give you a political parrelel. Conservative can be shortened to "con", and sometimes people do simply for shortening reason. But when certain people who have shown a disdain for conservatives use it in certain contexts, it appears to be used more for the purpose of disparagement, slurring, and negativity rather than simply to "shorten" the word conservative.
 
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AGENT J said:
... and homosexuality is not a mental disorder
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That has been discussed and dissected in other threads. While my theory cannot be proved, your fellow homosexuals have not been able to definitively disprove it either. In the end, I understand that you and others want your condition to be considered normal, however, a political consensus cannot definitively prove normalcy.
 
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DVSentinel said:
That has been discussed and dissected in other threads. While my theory cannot be proved, your fellow homosexuals have not been able to definitively disprove it either. In the end, I understand that you and others want your condition to be considered normal, however, a political consensus cannot definitively prove normalcy.
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yes it has that why i stated that fact
i have no condition im straight lol nor do any other gays based on sexual orientation alone.
facts defeat you again
 
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DVSentinel said:
That has been discussed and dissected in other threads. While my theory cannot be proved, your fellow homosexuals have not been able to definitively disprove it either. In the end, I understand that you and others want your condition to be considered normal, however, a political consensus cannot definitively prove normalcy.
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You are basically claiming that if a negative can't be proven that it's reasonable for you to claim the issue as if it's a fact. This speaks volumes regarding the honesty if any argument you out forth. There is clear consensus within the medical community regarding it being a mental disorder. The very fact that you describe a potential designation as a mental disorder as something hinging upon "political consensus" is both wildly ignorant of mental health work and incredibly enlightening with regards to your agenda and the insincerity in your words.

What you do is no more factual, reasonable, or accurate than those who ignorantly and hatefully claim being religious is a mental disorder.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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you are free to have that opinion i simply dont see the 2nd wrong unless we assume a bunch, i just going by the story

the one POSSIBLE wrong i see is i do agree with another post making a feud public is a wrong BUT, i dont consider this public yet simply because no names are given but if names are given anywhere and the dad did it i would agree that is a wrong, but i havent seen that yet
 
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CRUE CAB said:
That she picked up that prejudice somewhere. I would bet money it was from her parents.
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maybe the mom but obviously not the dad
 
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Zyphlin said:
You are basically claiming that if a negative can't be proven that it's reasonable for you to claim the issue as if it's a fact. This speaks volumes regarding the honesty if any argument you out forth. There is clear consensus within the medical community regarding it being a mental disorder. The very fact that you describe a potential designation as a mental disorder as something hinging upon "political consensus" is both wildly ignorant of mental health work and incredibly enlightening with regards to your agenda and the insincerity in your words.

What you do is no more factual, reasonable, or accurate than those who ignorantly and hatefully claim being religious is a mental disorder.
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Until the sexual revolution it was officially a mental disorder.
 
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AGENT J said:
yes it has that why i stated that fact
i have no condition im straight lol nor do any other gays based on sexual orientation alone.
facts defeat you again
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You're not homosexual? Then why have you seemed to be taking it so personal and also spaming the board with repeated posts of pro-homosexual propaganda? With that much interests, I just assumed from that evidence that you had a personal stake in the subject, ie. you were yourself a homosexual.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Until the sexual revolution it was officially a mental disorder.
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It was removed, the last document referring to it as such, a military document, was officially removed awhile back. The political consensus by the psycobablist who input to such decisions was that it was not. Again, I say psychobablist because they use consensus instead of actual scientific methods to determine what is or is not a disorder.
 
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DVSentinel said:
It was removed, the last document referring to it as such, a military document, was officially removed awhile back. The political consensus by the psycobablist who input to such decisions was that it was not. Again, I say psychobablist because they use consensus instead of actual scientific methods to determine what is or is not a disorder.
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Agreed.
 
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DVSentinel said:
1.)You're not homosexual?
2.) Then why have you seemed to be taking it so personal
3.) and also spaming the board with repeated posts of pro-homosexual propaganda?
4.) With that much interests, I just assumed from that evidence that you had a personal stake in the subject, ie. you were yourself a homosexual.
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1.) nope lol
2.) i dontknow why you think that but its all in your head
3.) this tells us all we need to know, i spam no boards with " pro-homosexual propaganda" also tell us what that is
4.) with flawed logic like that it further shows where your isses is

anybody that sees a person, an american that cares about the equal rights and freedoms of others and is fighting discrimination and views that as they must be part of that oppressed group is severly flawed logic.

but you are right i do have a personal stake in it, ALL americans do that care about rights and freedoms

thanks for your post it explains a lot to us
 
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DVSentinel said:
You're not homosexual? Then why have you seemed to be taking it so personal and also spaming the board with repeated posts of pro-homosexual propaganda? With that much interests, I just assumed from that evidence that you had a personal stake in the subject, ie. you were yourself a homosexual.
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:lamo
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) nope lol
2.) i dontknow why you think that but its all in your head
3.) this tells us all we need to know, i spam no boards with " pro-homosexual propaganda" also tell us what that is
4.) with flawed logic like that it further shows where your isses is

anybody that sees a person, an american that cares about the equal rights and freedoms of others and is fighting discrimination and views that as they must be part of that oppressed group is severly flawed logic.

but you are right i do have a personal stake in it, ALL americans do that care about rights and freedoms

thanks for your post it explains a lot to us
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You care about certain rights and freedoms. AND, 90% of your posts would be what he is referring to in the spam comment. :peace
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Until the sexual revolution it was officially a mental disorder.
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Yes, and at a time we thought the world was flat and that lobotomies were the cure for mental illness. As actual evidence and facts came out to suggest we were wrong then the consensus of thought amongst those educated within the field changes. What you and DVS are arguing isn't about actual evidence or facts, but arguing on the backs of the demand to prove a negative.

At one time it was viewed as a mental illness, and at one time lobotomies were given to cure mental illness...facts and further understanding changed those things. Homosexuality is no more a mental illness now than a lobotomy is a legitimate cure for depression.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Yes, and at a time we thought the world was flat and that lobotomies were the cure for mental illness. As actual evidence and facts came out to suggest we were wrong then the consensus of thought amongst those educated within the field changes. What you and DVS are arguing isn't about actual evidence or facts, but arguing on the backs of the demand to prove a negative.

At one time it was viewed as a mental illness, and at one time lobotomies were given to cure mental illness...facts and further understanding changed those things. Homosexuality is no more a mental illness now than a lobotomy is a legitimate cure for depression.
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And what are the evidence and facts that it is NOT a mental illness? :roll:

This is about a liberal agenda and a sexual revolution, nothing more. It's about people promoting sin because they like it, nothing more.
 
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Zyphlin said:
You are basically claiming that if a negative can't be proven that it's reasonable for you to claim the issue as if it's a fact. This speaks volumes regarding the honesty if any argument you out forth. There is clear consensus within the medical community regarding it being a mental disorder. The very fact that you describe a potential designation as a mental disorder as something hinging upon "political consensus" is both wildly ignorant of mental health work and incredibly enlightening with regards to your agenda and the insincerity in your words.

What you do is no more factual, reasonable, or accurate than those who ignorantly and hatefully claim being religious is a mental disorder.
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Yes, a consensus, not definitive proof. There was once a consensus in the "scientific" community that the world was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth.

A definitive answer cannot be found, not because anyone is trying to prove a negative, but because to follow normal scientific methods, it would entail doing experiments on humans. We can only go as far as observing then generating theory based upon those observations. We cannot setup or conducting testing to test said theories and since there can be no testing, there can be no revision of theory based upon results nor can there be a true peer review because they cannot duplicate testing that cannot be done. Currently the same holds true of String theory, except there, they cannot experiment because they don't know how, not because it requires testing on humans.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
And what are the evidence and facts that it is NOT a mental illness? :roll:

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Considering that rationality forms much of the basis for what we consider sane, you would have a much easier time building a case that religious fundamentalism is a sign of mental illness rather than homosexuality.
 
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AGENT J said:
what would your follow up be

he left the door open for her to wise up but i wouldnt leave it at that
id offer her professional help to deal with her bigotry and hatred and to do family therapy with her
id also give he a time limit to get her act together before i pressed charges against her and fought for custody of my grandchild.
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If it was some random person I'd have no problem with the rudeness and name calling, but if it were my own daughter I'd be much more serious in nature. Something less antagonistic like "I love my grandson and he will be my only concern until you change your mind and will accept him as he is". You don't change minds by being rude.

With that said I don't know the whole story, maybe he already went the nice route and it blew up in his face.
 
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