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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Until the sexual revolution it was officially a mental disorder.
    It was removed, the last document referring to it as such, a military document, was officially removed awhile back. The political consensus by the psycobablist who input to such decisions was that it was not. Again, I say psychobablist because they use consensus instead of actual scientific methods to determine what is or is not a disorder.
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    It was removed, the last document referring to it as such, a military document, was officially removed awhile back. The political consensus by the psycobablist who input to such decisions was that it was not. Again, I say psychobablist because they use consensus instead of actual scientific methods to determine what is or is not a disorder.
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    1.)You're not homosexual?
    2.) Then why have you seemed to be taking it so personal
    3.) and also spaming the board with repeated posts of pro-homosexual propaganda?
    4.) With that much interests, I just assumed from that evidence that you had a personal stake in the subject, ie. you were yourself a homosexual.
    1.) nope lol
    2.) i dontknow why you think that but its all in your head
    3.) this tells us all we need to know, i spam no boards with " pro-homosexual propaganda" also tell us what that is
    4.) with flawed logic like that it further shows where your isses is

    anybody that sees a person, an american that cares about the equal rights and freedoms of others and is fighting discrimination and views that as they must be part of that oppressed group is severly flawed logic.

    but you are right i do have a personal stake in it, ALL americans do that care about rights and freedoms

    thanks for your post it explains a lot to us
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    You're not homosexual? Then why have you seemed to be taking it so personal and also spaming the board with repeated posts of pro-homosexual propaganda? With that much interests, I just assumed from that evidence that you had a personal stake in the subject, ie. you were yourself a homosexual.
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) nope lol
    2.) i dontknow why you think that but its all in your head
    3.) this tells us all we need to know, i spam no boards with " pro-homosexual propaganda" also tell us what that is
    4.) with flawed logic like that it further shows where your isses is

    anybody that sees a person, an american that cares about the equal rights and freedoms of others and is fighting discrimination and views that as they must be part of that oppressed group is severly flawed logic.

    but you are right i do have a personal stake in it, ALL americans do that care about rights and freedoms

    thanks for your post it explains a lot to us
    You care about certain rights and freedoms. AND, 90% of your posts would be what he is referring to in the spam comment.
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Until the sexual revolution it was officially a mental disorder.
    Yes, and at a time we thought the world was flat and that lobotomies were the cure for mental illness. As actual evidence and facts came out to suggest we were wrong then the consensus of thought amongst those educated within the field changes. What you and DVS are arguing isn't about actual evidence or facts, but arguing on the backs of the demand to prove a negative.

    At one time it was viewed as a mental illness, and at one time lobotomies were given to cure mental illness...facts and further understanding changed those things. Homosexuality is no more a mental illness now than a lobotomy is a legitimate cure for depression.

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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes, and at a time we thought the world was flat and that lobotomies were the cure for mental illness. As actual evidence and facts came out to suggest we were wrong then the consensus of thought amongst those educated within the field changes. What you and DVS are arguing isn't about actual evidence or facts, but arguing on the backs of the demand to prove a negative.

    At one time it was viewed as a mental illness, and at one time lobotomies were given to cure mental illness...facts and further understanding changed those things. Homosexuality is no more a mental illness now than a lobotomy is a legitimate cure for depression.
    And what are the evidence and facts that it is NOT a mental illness?

    This is about a liberal agenda and a sexual revolution, nothing more. It's about people promoting sin because they like it, nothing more.
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You are basically claiming that if a negative can't be proven that it's reasonable for you to claim the issue as if it's a fact. This speaks volumes regarding the honesty if any argument you out forth. There is clear consensus within the medical community regarding it being a mental disorder. The very fact that you describe a potential designation as a mental disorder as something hinging upon "political consensus" is both wildly ignorant of mental health work and incredibly enlightening with regards to your agenda and the insincerity in your words.

    What you do is no more factual, reasonable, or accurate than those who ignorantly and hatefully claim being religious is a mental disorder.
    Yes, a consensus, not definitive proof. There was once a consensus in the "scientific" community that the world was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth.

    A definitive answer cannot be found, not because anyone is trying to prove a negative, but because to follow normal scientific methods, it would entail doing experiments on humans. We can only go as far as observing then generating theory based upon those observations. We cannot setup or conducting testing to test said theories and since there can be no testing, there can be no revision of theory based upon results nor can there be a true peer review because they cannot duplicate testing that cannot be done. Currently the same holds true of String theory, except there, they cannot experiment because they don't know how, not because it requires testing on humans.
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    And what are the evidence and facts that it is NOT a mental illness?

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    Considering that rationality forms much of the basis for what we consider sane, you would have a much easier time building a case that religious fundamentalism is a sign of mental illness rather than homosexuality.
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    what would your follow up be

    he left the door open for her to wise up but i wouldnt leave it at that
    id offer her professional help to deal with her bigotry and hatred and to do family therapy with her
    id also give he a time limit to get her act together before i pressed charges against her and fought for custody of my grandchild.
    If it was some random person I'd have no problem with the rudeness and name calling, but if it were my own daughter I'd be much more serious in nature. Something less antagonistic like "I love my grandson and he will be my only concern until you change your mind and will accept him as he is". You don't change minds by being rude.

    With that said I don't know the whole story, maybe he already went the nice route and it blew up in his face.
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