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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Awesome. Grandpa teaches a valuable lesson to daughter about disowning a gay son by disowning her. Good thing he isnt a judgmental prick...
    He didn't disown her. He said don't comeback until you can be more tolerant or something to that effect. He drew a line and she is welcome back when she stops being condemning and hateful. See the difference?
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her ... [W:190:1

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) nope factually doesnt to this thread, your opinion about labels has has zero impact on this topic
    2.) no they dont . they dont force anything on anybody
    Really? So someone who labels him/herself "straight" would be just as comfortable with revealing an attraction to someone of the same sex and/or a desire to have sex with someone of the same sex, in the event that it happens,

    as someone as someone who labels him/herself "bi"?

    Now that would certainly be something--

    we should tell all those "straight" guys frequenting Craigslist who say they're looking to experiment that they should tell their family/friends/co-workers about those ads. I'm sure they'd have nooooooo problem with that at all

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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You endorse the abandoning of a child because they dont live up to your expectations. Yeah...the thing is...you are her. Worse, because you are a hypocrite to boot.
    It's not about not measuring up to expectations. It is about acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Condemnation, judgment, casting out your child vs give you child unconditional love. Not remotely similar things.
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ah. So 'love' should be contingent upon basic necessities. Well...good thing it is 'conditional'.
    By your definition of parenting you would let your children run wile and undirected through the streets.
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her ... [W:190:1

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    1.)Really? So someone who labels him/herself "straight" would be just as comfortable with revealing an attraction to someone of the same sex and/or a desire to have sex with someone of the same sex, in the event that it happens,
    2.)as someone as someone who labels him/herself "bi"?

    3.)Now that would certainly be something--

    4.) we should tell all those "straight" guys frequenting Craigslist who say they're looking to experiment that they should tell their family/friends/co-workers about those ads.
    5.) I'm sure they'd have nooooooo problem with that at all
    1.) i would :shrug" i cant answer for us all though, i know many wouldnt out of fear of bigotry and that would happen without a label. also notice how its hoots hole in the confined theory
    2.) not sure what you are saying here but im guessing you are asking if they are different, yes they are one already knows he is by and one is just figuring out any comfotablity or fears are self inflected not lable inflected

    labels only have the power YOU give them for yourself

    3.) amazing what non bigoted adults can do isnt it

    4.)what you are talking about is fear of bigotry or ashamed of oneself, the label doesnt do that, thats self inflected

    5.) see 4

    sorry you got nothing labels are meaningless a=unless oneself makes them meaningful

    let me know when you have any facts to support a labeL FORCES people to be confined
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I think that's what happens when you do not limit the love you have for your children by making who they are nothing more than a reflection on you. "what will my friends think....(about me)" kinda thing. I never got that frankly.
    me neither its severely selfish and illogical
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her ... [W:190:1

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) i would :shrug" i cant answer for us all though, i know many wouldnt out of fear of bigotry and that would happen without a label. also notice how its hoots hole in the confined theory
    2.) not sure what you are saying here but im guessing you are asking if they are different, yes they are one already knows he is by and one is just figuring out any comfotablity or fears are self inflected not lable inflected

    labels only have the power YOU give them for yourself

    3.) amazing what non bigoted adults can do isnt it

    4.)what you are talking about is fear of bigotry or ashamed of oneself, the label doesnt do that, thats self inflected

    5.) see 4

    sorry you got nothing labels are meaningless a=unless oneself makes them meaningful
    If labels (i. e. sex orientation labeling) were truly meaningless, then people wouldn't use them.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    let me know when you have any facts to support a labeL FORCES people to be convinced
    EASY.

    If someone had no trouble/apprehension about changing his behavior in a way that was inconsistent w/the labels he had attached to himself, then he wouldn't be labeling himself (i. e. "straight" or "gay") in the first place.

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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her ... [W:190:1

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    If labels (i. e. sex orientation labeling) were truly meaningless, then people wouldn't use them.



    EASY.

    If someone had no trouble/apprehension about changing his behavior in a way that was inconsistent w/the labels he had attached to himself, then he wouldn't be labeling himself (i. e. "straight" or "gay") in the first place.
    1s) i never said they are meaningless in general i said they are meaningless in the way you are trying to use them. Heck one of my first post to you i said they are accurate and factual.

    we use them for factual identification, now some people hide behind them and some people judge them but again nothing to do with the leable itself

    2.) based on what fact? oh thats right, none

    i ask you for a FACT lol not your opinion

    i could make your same sentence without the word label and it would be true

    If someone had no trouble/apprehension about changing his behavior in a way that they thought people would judge, then he wouldn't be worried about his behaviors in the first place.

    now what?
    sorry the statement i made from yours is the reality, the labels dont matter, the issue is people judge and the issues is people have self brought on demons.

    labels wont change that

    so again here is my question
    let me know when you have any facts to support a labeL FORCES people to be confined
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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    every time you post this lie it just proves how uneducated you are on this topic, it is in fact about equality

    oh thats right according to YOU, the law and peoples rights, and the court precedence doesnt meaning anything only your feelings, sorry while thats funny, facts prove you wrong as usual.
    You keep projecting. It's amusing to watch

    It's not equality if other sexually perverted groups are excluded. Equality means = everything/everyone is equal. Polygamists. Group Marriage. Transgendered freaks. Muslim pedophiles. Beastiality. If gays are born that way than so are pedophiles and beastiality types. All freaks are born that way, so in the interest of tolerance and equality we should coddle them and let them do whatever they want. Whatever sick fetish/perversion is out there can get married. The tradition and institution means nothing. Now has no purpose. That's true equality.

    Marriage was created to bring the opposite sexes together. Not the same sexes and other perverted types together. No other sexual act can create new life, except for heterosexual sex. It's a biological fact. It's the Natural Order of all species. The institution and tradition of marriage was created because of this natural order of life. Noah didn't bring 2 male cows into the ark.

    There is no doubt in my mind, if given the opportunity, you would take a child away from his parents if those parents taught that child that homosexuality as a lifestyle was immoral and deviant (which it is)

    Your perception of tolerance only goes one way. It's obvious. Why should I be tolerant of gays if they aren't tolerant of Christianity or in a secular belief that Marriage has specific biological, social and economic purposes and should be left alone? I don't have anything personal against gays.. If they want to have parades and ram their penises into feces filled holes infested with bacteria in the privacy of their homes, than more power to them. Giving gays the special right to change the institution, definition and tradition of marriage however is pointless politically correct coddling. It's completely unnecessary. Gays control Pop Culture though, so they've brainwashed everyone into thinking homosexuality is trendy and cool.

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    Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Have the identities of these people been revealed? When I first read about this on Yahoo a couple of days ago, one of my first thoughts was that there could be much more to this story and the family dynamics than what made the news. The son's being gay may not be the only issue.

    Has there been a history of oppositional defiance between mother and son? Where's the dad? Are the parents together, or is there a stepfather around? What has the relationship between grandfather and daughter been? And how did the org which posted the letter obtain it?
    So I went Googling, and according to Gawker, the org obtained the letter from "Chad," the disowned-for-being-gay son:

    Luke Montgomery of FCKH8 just emailed us to say the letter was sent in by Chad himself. He adds:
    "I'm trying to get the teen and his grandpa to come out publicly and do media interviews to spread the word. Right now they are scared and a bit intimidated with all the requests because it seems the kid is not out. I'll forward your contact info to them and work on getting them to speak out because it would be so good for the cause."

    Grandpa Writes Letter Disowning Daughter After She Disowns Gay Son

    So if granddad wrote the letter to his daughter, how did Chad get ahold of it and scan it into the computer? Did granddad actually give the letter to his daughter?

    And what, really, would be the point of an "open letter"?

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