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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Why is it killing the ACA and not ending the immediate problem of the shutdown as seems to be the case? Winning seems to be with regard to the shutdown, not the ACA. The ACA is a long-term project, not an immediate problem.
    Obviously the GOP could end the shutdown tomorrow. Put the CR to an up or down vote. No need to strategize and say "over and over" again that the GOP is for negotiations.

    So you tell why the GOP isn't doing that? The answer is obvious: they will do anything to kill the ACA and Rand and Mitch think (delusionally) that they can if they can repeat the lie enough that they're willing to negotiate (even though they're not)

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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The reality that you aren't facing (for whatever reason) if that there is nothing to negotiate. This thing would be over in 5 minutes if Boehner would put it to an up/down vote, but the teabaggers want to keep playing games. Why would Obama ever negotiate with that? Maybe if the Republicans weren't losing so badly in the public opinion forum, but this right now is a win/win for Obama. there is no reason to negotiate with the teabaggers.
    what makes you believe an up/down vote would end it?

    the House passed their CR is an up/down vote already...and Democrats didn't like the outcome.


    negotiation is the very mechanism that operates our government... why would Obama negotiate?.. well, because that's how impasses are solved... that is the job of every elected politician.

    a politician saying he won't negotiate is the same exact thing as saying " I will not do the job i was elected to do"
    the People want negotiations... they want **** solved
    it's only hardcore fanatical Democrats who are supportive of these politicians not doing their job.

    I can't stand either party and most of there politicians... and even i want them to sit down, be adults, and talk.
    ( I also want the LP to capitalize on all these grown children throwing tantrums... but that's neither here nor there)

    he might just win everything he is wanting... in return for future concessions.
    we won't know how it all turns out until he decides to do his job.. and Reid does his job.. and Beohner does his job.
    we'll have to get through all this political posturing bull**** first, though.

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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Obviously the GOP could end the shutdown tomorrow. Put the CR to an up or down vote. No need to strategize and say "over and over" again that the GOP is for negotiations.

    So you tell why the GOP isn't doing that? The answer is obvious: they will do anything to kill the ACA and Rand and Mitch think (delusionally) that they can if they can repeat the lie enough that they're willing to negotiate (even though they're not)
    Democrats can't end the shutdown tomorrow too... but they are steadfast in refusing to negotiate so far.

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    Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    what makes you believe an up/down vote would end it?

    the House passed their CR is an up/down vote already...and Democrats didn't like the outcome.


    negotiation is the very mechanism that operates our government... why would Obama negotiate?.. well, because that's how impasses are solved... that is the job of every elected politician.

    a politician saying he won't negotiate is the same exact thing as saying " I will not do the job i was elected to do"
    the People want negotiations... they want **** solved
    it's only hardcore fanatical Democrats who are supportive of these politicians not doing their job.

    I can't stand either party and most of there politicians... and even i want them to sit down, be adults, and talk.
    ( I also want the LP to capitalize on all these grown children throwing tantrums... but that's neither here nor there)

    he might just win everything he is wanting... in return for future concessions.
    we won't know how it all turns out until he decides to do his job.. and Reid does his job.. and Beohner does his job.
    we'll have to get through all this political posturing bull**** first, though.
    Can you give any reasonable hypothetical negotiation common ground on this? Anything?

    I see a single point -the ACA. And it's yes or no.
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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Please to tell us what cynicism you got from that.

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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Why is it killing the ACA and not ending the immediate problem of the shutdown as seems to be the case? Winning seems to be with regard to the shutdown, not the ACA. The ACA is a long-term project, not an immediate problem.
    it's kinda odd really.

    both parties feel that the ACA is worth ****ing everything else up

    most agree it's a bad law, but somehow , it is the most important thing in the universe right now... it's vastly more important than everything else

    weird ****.

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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Where did he say that OTHER than from you making assumptions and putting words in his mouth? I imagine both sides are caring about "winning" BECAUSE they think winning will ultimately be what's best for America, not in spite of it. I think it's laughably ridiculous (shocker that I'M the one called cynical in this thread) to think that any of our politicians are sitting there going "Mwhahaha, this will be ****ty for America but it helps ME WIN! And THAT'S What matters, MWHAHAHA".
    I think there's a BUNCH of politicians sitting there going, "This will be ****ty for America but it helps my sponsors and if I want to keep that campaign cash coming in and get that plum lobbying job when I leave office that's what I'm gonna do. How can I spin this to make it palatable?"

    Some more than others but all to some degree. Its how it works. And moneys voice gets louder every year.
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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Please to tell us what cynicism you got from that.
    You're asking for reason from a known troll.

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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    your opinion on these matters isn't worth jack. you are just a cheerleader hoping your factually stated opinions aren't as absurd as your overall ideology

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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government...

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Can you give any reasonable hypothetical negotiation common ground on this? Anything?

    I see a single point -the ACA. And it's yes or no.
    well, i can see a few different results... some very simple.

    for example, democrats can concede to delay the individual mandate for a year.. and the GOP can concede to pass the appropriations bill and allow folks to sign up for the exchanges.

    the Democrats can concede on forcing employers to pay for birth control.. and the GOP can concede on allowing employers to decide for themselves if they will fund birth control or not.

    the GOP can concede on allowing funding for PP and food stamps in return for support on a balanced budget amendment.

    the GOP can concede to allow the EPA to regulate greenhouse gasses in return for giving the keystone pipeline a green light and fa tracking oil drilling on federal lands.


    there is tons of room for give and take....but there will be nothing good coming from outright refusing to even talk.

    these two parties both believe they should get their way and the other side should get nothing... nothing good can come from that, as we all see.

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