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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The thing that is most telling is Rand Paul saying "We're going to win this I think". It just shows how absolutely delusional he is!
    I love his insistence that if they just "keep saying" they will negotiate, maybe the American people will notice they aren't hostage takers.

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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    There are not going to be any negotiations. They are losing badly in the public opinion forum. They are ultimately going to have to do damage control. It is completely delusional that they can win anything at this point unless there is a huge wave of change in public opinion which is highly unlikely.
    your opinion on these matters isn't worth jack. you are just a cheerleader hoping your factually stated opinions aren't as absurd as your overall ideology

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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government...

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Oh I think I understand the hot mic syndrome. People like Rand Paul actually saying the truth because they don't think the public is listening. So he and Mitch admit that maybe if they keep saying something that they know isn't true, the public might ultimately support them or at least their extremist base will and be tricked into blaming the Democrats.

    Is that about right?
    What, that negotiation's are on the table for the GOP and not Democrats? Guess you haven't been paying attention but thats actually true.

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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    There are not going to be any negotiations. They are losing badly in the public opinion forum. They are ultimately going to have to do damage control. It is completely delusional that they can win anything at this point unless there is a huge wave of change in public opinion which is highly unlikely.
    there will be negotiations..... of that I am confident... there are always negotiations.
    yes, I know Obama has refused to negotiate with republicans... but that too will pass....sooner or later, they all negotiate.
    you can only refuse to negotiate for so long before the people start to get real pissed... even if you have the high road going in, refusal to talk will turn around and bite you at the most inopportune time.


    it's early in the game and all sides are still posturing...that too will pass.

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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I love his insistence that if they just "keep saying" they will negotiate, maybe the American people will notice they aren't hostage takers.
    I think rather it shows two Republicans scheming to "keep saying" something they know is false in the hope of influencing public opinion over an issue about which they are using the funding of government to appease their base
    While I certainly am against what they are doing, that's not what is being said.

    "I just did CNN and I just go over and over again 'We're willing to compromise. We're willing to negotiate.' I think... I don't think they poll tested we won't negotiate. I think it's awful for [Democrats] to say that over and over again," Paul said.
    "Yeah, I do too and I, and I just came back from that two hour meeting with them and that, and that was basically the same view privately as it was publicly," McConnell agreed.

    Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."
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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    What, that negotiation's are on the table for the GOP and not Democrats? Guess you haven't been paying attention but thats actually true.
    Negotiations in the mouths of tea partiers means "kill Obamacare". That's not going to happen. They lost. Get over it.

    Democrats in the Senate have already agreed to the numbers, so it isn't about that. But you know that. The GOP position is a farce, like conservatism itself.

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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    While I certainly am against what they are doing, that's not what is being said.
    It's exactly what he's saying. His point is "say over and over again" that they are willing to negotiate (i.e. repeat the lie), but they aren't going to negotiate. It's kill the ACA or nothing. He's admitting it. His goal is to kill the ACA and he's pretending it's negotiable in public, while conspiring with Mitch and admitting it isn't, in a rather delusional fashion: "we're gonna win this, I think." (i.e., kill the ACA)
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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    there will be negotiations..... of that I am confident... there are always negotiations.
    yes, I know Obama has refused to negotiate with republicans... but that too will pass....sooner or later, they all negotiate.
    you can only refuse to negotiate for so long before the people start to get real pissed... even if you have the high road going in, refusal to talk will turn around and bite you at the most inopportune time.


    it's early in the game and all sides are still posturing...that too will pass.
    The reality that you aren't facing (for whatever reason) if that there is nothing to negotiate. This thing would be over in 5 minutes if Boehner would put it to an up/down vote, but the teabaggers want to keep playing games. Why would Obama ever negotiate with that? Maybe if the Republicans weren't losing so badly in the public opinion forum, but this right now is a win/win for Obama. there is no reason to negotiate with the teabaggers.
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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The reality that you aren't facing (for whatever reason) if that there is nothing to negotiate. This thing would be over in 5 minutes if Boehner would put it to an up/down vote, but the teabaggers want to keep playing games. Why would Obama ever negotiate with that? Maybe if the Republicans weren't losing so badly in the public opinion forum, but this right now is a win/win for Obama. there is no reason to negotiate with the teabaggers.
    This is not about Cruz and Boehner. IMO, it has always been about Cantor and P. Ryan, playing the TEAskidmarks behind the scenes.

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    Re: Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government Shu

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    It's exactly what he's saying. His point is "say over and over again" that they are willing to negotiate (i.e. repeat the lie), but they aren't going to negotiate. It's kill the ACA or nothing. He's admitting it. His goal is to kill the ACA and he's pretending it's negotiable in public, while conspiring with Mitch and admitting it isn't, in a rather delusional fashion: "we're gonna win this, I think." (i.e., kill the ACA)
    Why is it killing the ACA and not ending the immediate problem of the shutdown as seems to be the case? Winning seems to be with regard to the shutdown, not the ACA. The ACA is a long-term project, not an immediate problem.
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