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    Re: The House has enough votes to end the shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This is just nonsense. Last time I checked, the Republicans are no more a minority in the House than Democrats are a minority in the Senate. To suggest that only a minority passed the House motions is a flat out lie paraded by liberals and the media to protect the Senate and the President.
    Actually, there is a majority of house members who would vote for the funding but they are not allowed to because the vote is being prevented because boehner will not let it happen. Claiming otherwise is a lie. Of course, if i am wrong and a majority of the house would vote against it then by all means boehner should allow it to be voted on. You are lying and leaving out facts and pretending that all the republicans would vote in the same exact way when they would not.
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You want the House to take up a vote that some Democrats will support to create a majority, but you don't want the Senate to take up a House vote that some Democrats will support and create a majority and you don't want it to pass both houses of congress because the President will veto it. So, in other words, you're quite happy with Democrat intransigence but offended by Republican intransigence. Got it.

    Just another apologist for Obama and Democrats hiding behind an "Other" lean.
    Actually that part is irrelevant as per the law, but the senate has actually passed something that is waiting on the house to actually vote on which they have not. Besides, even in your imaginary world obama would still veto it as he has no reason to allow it through. You need to stop playing verbal gymnastics to cover for the minority of terrorists on the christian right willing to shut the government down because they are afraid people will like Obamacare. The people have spoken, the law has been passed. it has not been able to be repealed, the courts have declared it constitutional, and now it needs to be funded just like any other law the minority does not like.

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    Re: The House has enough votes to end the shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I wonder what the chances of Boehner putting a clean funding bill to a vote are? I'm not going to hold my breath.

    Here's A Tally Of Which House Republicans Are Ready To Fund The Government, No Strings Attached
    All this "clean" bill bull**** is just that, bull****. There never was and never will be a clean bill, except in the fried minds of liberals. They only talk about clean bills when they're playing politics.
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    Re: The House has enough votes to end the shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I wonder what the chances of Boehner putting a clean funding bill to a vote are? I'm not going to hold my breath.

    Here's A Tally Of Which House Republicans Are Ready To Fund The Government, No Strings Attached
    The government's only been down for a couple days. Hit snooze and let it ride untill next year.

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    Re: The House has enough votes to end the shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Actually, there is a majority of house members who would vote for the funding but they are not allowed to because the vote is being prevented because boehner will not let it happen. Claiming otherwise is a lie. Of course, if i am wrong and a majority of the house would vote against it then by all means boehner should allow it to be voted on. You are lying and leaving out facts and pretending that all the republicans would vote in the same exact way when they would not.


    Actually that part is irrelevant as per the law, but the senate has actually passed something that is waiting on the house to actually vote on which they have not. Besides, even in your imaginary world obama would still veto it as he has no reason to allow it through. You need to stop playing verbal gymnastics to cover for the minority of terrorists on the christian right willing to shut the government down because they are afraid people will like Obamacare. The people have spoken, the law has been passed. it has not been able to be repealed, the courts have declared it constitutional, and now it needs to be funded just like any other law the minority does not like.
    Really, you can't possibly be that ignorant of the government process in your country so you must simply be shilling for the Democrats. Everything you've said above is equally valid for the numerous bills passed in the House over the past week or so that the Senate Democrats have refused to take up and vote on. If the Senate did, you'd find that all Republicans plus a dozen or two Democrats would vote in favor and send the bill to the President for signature. Harry Reid refuses to allow the Senate to freely vote on them because Obama does not want to be seen vetoing bills that will fund the government or parts of the government then placing the entire blame for the shutdown on the President and Democrats. Even if the President vetoed the bills, there is a strong chance that both houses of congress would have sufficient votes to override the veto.

    It really is a shame that a Canadian has to school you on American government and the politics involved.
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    Re: The House has enough votes to end the shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Really, you can't possibly be that ignorant of the government process in your country so you must simply be shilling for the Democrats. Everything you've said above is equally valid for the numerous bills passed in the House over the past week or so that the Senate Democrats have refused to take up and vote on. If the Senate did, you'd find that all Republicans plus a dozen or two Democrats would vote in favor and send the bill to the President for signature. Harry Reid refuses to allow the Senate to freely vote on them because Obama does not want to be seen vetoing bills that will fund the government or parts of the government then placing the entire blame for the shutdown on the President and Democrats. Even if the President vetoed the bills, there is a strong chance that both houses of congress would have sufficient votes to override the veto.

    It really is a shame that a Canadian has to school you on American government and the politics involved.
    Yeah, because we wouldn't want obama to ruin his chances in 2016.

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    Re: The House has enough votes to end the shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Yeah, because we wouldn't want obama to ruin his chances in 2016.
    Another dumb retort - big surprise. You are aware that Obama is attempting to secure the Senate and gain control of the House in 2014 so that his second term, like the end of his first, doesn't continue to swirl the toilet, right?
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    Re: The House has enough votes to end the shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Another dumb retort - big surprise. You are aware that Obama is attempting to secure the Senate and gain control of the House in 2014 so that his second term, like the end of his first, doesn't continue to swirl the toilet, right?
    Let me just say this fail logic just keeps on coming. For the same reason the dems cannot get the republicans out will be the same reason they cut their throats and let the dems in. They made a fundamental mistake. They went doing all this based on the idea that it is what people wanted. The people did not want extreme right BS. The only ones who wanted that are the tea party dufuses they surrounded themselves with. in 2014 if all you are voting for is to undo gridlock you vote dem because Obama is still there with the veto. You do not go further to the extreme. So pretty much they are pushing every purple congressional district blue. Worse yet they might end up fighting tea party crazies and blowing their warchest just to get nominated. They are doubling down on the wrong side, and they simply do not hold the block of elderly they used to because of their attacks on medicare.

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    Re: The House has enough votes to end the shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Government by cowardice: Boehner won't bring a clean CR to the floor because it will pass and then the freakish tea party caucus will go after his head.

    They are totally unhinged and he's totally craven.
    Cowardice? They are risking their re-election. Sounds like bravery to me.

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    Re: The House has enough votes to end the shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I wonder what the chances of Boehner putting a clean funding bill to a vote are? I'm not going to hold my breath.

    Here's A Tally Of Which House Republicans Are Ready To Fund The Government, No Strings Attached
    You don't end a shut down. You start it back up. You don't stop your car from being off, being off is its default state. You turn it on.

    Likewise the government being off is its default state. Like a light in you home, leave it off untill you need it, use it, then turn it back off.

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    Re: The House has enough votes to end the shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Let me just say this fail logic just keeps on coming. For the same reason the dems cannot get the republicans out will be the same reason they cut their throats and let the dems in. They made a fundamental mistake. They went doing all this based on the idea that it is what people wanted. The people did not want extreme right BS. The only ones who wanted that are the tea party dufuses they surrounded themselves with. in 2014 if all you are voting for is to undo gridlock you vote dem because Obama is still there with the veto. You do not go further to the extreme. So pretty much they are pushing every purple congressional district blue. Worse yet they might end up fighting tea party crazies and blowing their warchest just to get nominated. They are doubling down on the wrong side, and they simply do not hold the block of elderly they used to because of their attacks on medicare.
    Living in a fantasy world must be very comforting for you.
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