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John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

head of joaquin said:
BWHAHAHAHHAH!

I love the smell of desperation in the morning!
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Perhaps others around you would appreciate you shower to cleanse that 'desperation' smell...:lamo
 
Dickieboy said:
Perhaps others around you would appreciate you shower to cleanse that 'desperation' smell...:lawdwdmo
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Hey an attempt at humor as desperate as Boehner's sorry attempt to pretend that Obama caused the GOP's meltdown..
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Most, if not all, who cannot afford insurance also cannot afford the deductibles or co-pays, so what does this law do to help individuals?
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That's not true at all. I already know what my deductible is, and what my copay is going to be. I also know what my premium is going to be. I am getting the insurance.

I have come a very long way from what I believed before to what I believe now. It took the death of a very good friend of mine to make me see the light. Last Sunday, I played a benefit concert for the widow and grandchild of Papa Bluez, who was an icon in the Houston area. He could not afford health insurance. A couple of months ago, he began experiencing tightness in his chest. He didn't see a doctor because he could not afford it. 2 days later he was dead. He died because he did not have the money to see a doctor.

Before the death of Papa Bluez, I was dead set against any kind of subsidized health insurance. It took the death of a dear friend of mine, and the circumstances surrounding his death, to make me see the light. If we cannot provide health care for our own citizens, then we are savages, and nothing more. There are a lot of things I don't like about Obamacare, but at this point, I am willing to give it a chance, so that many others do not end up like Papa Bluez - Dead before their time.
 
Republican bomb-throwers like Limbaugh, Cruz, and the House radicals are giddy about causing this shutdown and are bragging about it. I believe them.
 
Moot said:
Appropiations and continuing resolutions are temporary stop gap measures to help keep the government funded and operating in lieu of a budget. Congress hasn't had a budget since the tea party took over the house in 2010.
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Nope, it was before 2010...try again!
 
danarhea said:
That's not true at all. I already know what my deductible is, and what my copay is going to be. I also know what my premium is going to be. I am getting the insurance.

I have come a very long way from what I believed before to what I believe now. It took the death of a very good friend of mine to make me see the light. Last Sunday, I played a benefit concert for the widow and grandchild of Papa Bluez, who was an icon in the Houston area. He could not afford health insurance. A couple of months ago, he began experiencing tightness in his chest. He didn't see a doctor because he could not afford it. 2 days later he was dead. He died because he did not have the money to see a doctor.

Before the death of Papa Bluez, I was dead set against any kind of subsidized health insurance. It took the death of a dear friend of mine, and the circumstances surrounding his death, to make me see the light. If we cannot provide health care for our own citizens, then we are savages, and nothing more. There are a lot of things I don't like about Obamacare, but at this point, I am willing to give it a chance, so that many others do not end up like Papa Bluez - Dead before their time.
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What is your deductible and co-pay?
 
head of joaquin said:
Let's pretend that the House didn't turn down the Senate's 18 prior offers to conference over the past year.

Let's pretend. It's all conservative can do.
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Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Wasn't one of the amendments in that resolution the approval of Keystone XL? and another that repealed the medical device tax?...wasn't that one of the GOP's offers in this latest 'meltdown' that the Senate now rejects? Tell me again why one would engage in conference with someone who is apparently 'two-faced'?

go on you can say it...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Most, if not all, who cannot afford insurance also cannot afford the deductibles or co-pays, so what does this law do to help individuals?
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Does a lot for me. I can afford health insurance now. Had the law already been in place, I wouldn't be playing a benefit for a close friend who died because he could not afford to go to a doctor.
 
danarhea said:
Does a lot for me. I can afford health insurance now. Had the law already been in place, I wouldn't be playing a benefit for a close friend who died because he could not afford to go to a doctor.
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You post a lot without saying anything...
 
Your story is so compelling from your POV, I have been completely brought down to normalcy in my responses and I thank you. My Father was Military and my Mom still benefits from Tri-care-for-life and Medicare and Civil Service. I have been fortunate all my life with decent teacher insurance and still get my wife's in retirement. Many times I bypass getting tests because I feel guilty about costs to the system. I will try to stay focused on your behalf, though I have said this before to others on DP.
danarhea said:
That's not true at all. I already know what my deductible is, and what my copay is going to be. I also know what my premium is going to be. I am getting the insurance.

I have come a very long way from what I believed before to what I believe now. It took the death of a very good friend of mine to make me see the light. Last Sunday, I played a benefit concert for the widow and grandchild of Papa Bluez, who was an icon in the Houston area. He could not afford health insurance. A couple of months ago, he began experiencing tightness in his chest. He didn't see a doctor because he could not afford it. 2 days later he was dead. He died because he did not have the money to see a doctor.

Before the death of Papa Bluez, I was dead set against any kind of subsidized health insurance. It took the death of a dear friend of mine, and the circumstances surrounding his death, to make me see the light. If we cannot provide health care for our own citizens, then we are savages, and nothing more. There are a lot of things I don't like about Obamacare, but at this point, I am willing to give it a chance, so that many others do not end up like Papa Bluez - Dead before their time.
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Especially after we see the more radical Republicans openly brag about how giddy they are in shutting the government down. Whether Dems like it or not, we will have to help Repubs settle their differences, something I have been totally against up till now.
head of joaquin said:
Hey an attempt at humor as desperate as Boehner's sorry attempt to pretend that Obama caused the GOP's meltdown..
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Dezaad said:
Whatever. Extremists will NOT carry the day.
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Obama was elected by extremist, you know the ones with their hands out.
 
They ALL own this shutdown. It isn't some isolated thing...everything over the past few years led to the point where baths sides finally acted as they did. **** the finger pointing, it's on all of them
 
AlabamaPaul said:
You post a lot without saying anything...
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I said all I need to say. And if you are insinuating that I lied about this, then here is the facebook page for the Papa Bluez Benefit. We were quite successful in raising money for his widow, but Papa Bluez is still dead, and he didn't need to be. Again, this is a major event in my life, and is the event which changed my mind on this. We either look out for our own, or we are nothing more than savages. I miss my friend.
 
Moot said:
The republicans should have called a conference committee in June or July or August or early September instead of waiting until hours before the deadline. Now it just looks like a political ploy to hold the country hostage until their demands are met.
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It looks that way because it is that way.
 
Zyphlin said:
They ALL own this shutdown. It isn't some isolated thing...everything over the past few years led to the point where baths sides finally acted as they did. **** the finger pointing, it's on all of them
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A total cliché. You can't identify anything the Senate or Obama has done to result in this shutdown. They have offered to compromise, offered to conference, and even implemented much of the GOP's odious agenda. Still, the tea party occupation forces march obliviously onward.

And that's because conservatives want to shut down the government. They are that nihilistic and extreme.
 
Zyphlin said:
They ALL own this shutdown. It isn't some isolated thing...everything over the past few years led to the point where baths sides finally acted as they did. **** the finger pointing, it's on all of them
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They own it if the premise is that by accepting or rejecting a given proposal they are taking action and thus direct the outcome of the event. However, is the kink in this argument that key Republican figures propelled a maneuver that they knew would be unacceptable (and fail in the process) to their opposition, which would then bring us to this point?
 
Democrats agreed to Republicans sequester budget number and Repubs moved the goalposts as in the past.
 
Zyphlin said:
They ALL own this shutdown. It isn't some isolated thing...everything over the past few years led to the point where baths sides finally acted as they did. **** the finger pointing, it's on all of them
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That's true, but I'm still putting more blame on the GOP.

The simple fact of the matter is this stems back to the 2008 election. If the GOP had simply just worked with Obama on the initial bill rather than stone walling and refusing to participate, we would not be here AND we'd likely have a better bill. How the Democrats rammed the ACA through was wrong, but that doesn't mean how holding the spending hostage as to how the GOP's doing it now is better. This just shows that the parties aren't much different from each other. Neither has the interests of the people at heart.
 
obvious Child said:
That's true, but I'm still putting more blame on the GOP.

The simple fact of the matter is this stems back to the 2008 election. If the GOP had simply just worked with Obama on the initial bill rather than stone walling and refusing to participate, we would not be here AND we'd likely have a better bill. How the Democrats rammed the ACA through was wrong, but that doesn't mean how holding the spending hostage as to how the GOP's doing it now is better. This just shows that the parties aren't much different from each other. Neither has the interests of the people at heart.
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You're kidding right? The GOP offered ~100 amendments to the original bill and NONE of them were considered...wondering how you define 'stone walling'?
 
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