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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The simple fact is Obama and the Democrats vowed to shut down the entire government if the House won't fund Obamacare.

    THUS, the TRUTH is that Republicans have shut down Obamacare and Obama and Democrats have shut down everything else. Yet not one media source is reporting that obvious truth.
    Thats probably because it's not the truth.

    The simple fact is that 40 house Republicans have vowed to shut down the government if Obamacare isn't defunded.

    Another fact that seems to allude you is that Republicans deliberately missing the debt ceiling deadline and shutting down the government doesn't defund or prevent Obamacare from going into effect.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    You're kidding right? The GOP offered ~100 amendments to the original bill and NONE of them were considered...wondering how you define 'stone walling'?
    Which begs the question, why was the house offering so many amendments and preventing an up and down vote on a clean CR when they KNEW their amendments wouldn't pass the senate or the president?

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Nope, it was before 2010...try again!
    Thats true, congress didn't pass a budget for 2010.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Which begs the question, why was the house offering so many amendments and preventing an up and down vote on a clean CR when they KNEW their amendments wouldn't pass the senate or the president?
    ? the amendments I am speaking of were 3 years ago when PPACA was initially debated on...what are you talking about?
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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    The republicans knew that they couldn't get a bill that defunded Obamacare, so instead of compromising and getting a budget passed like any rational adult would, they acted like ****ing children and basically said "If you don't do what we tell you we're taking our toys and going home!!".

    ****ing children, anyone who votes for any republican that has supported this shutdown is a ****ing idiot.
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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Amendments designed to make it unknowable are hardly "contributions."

    Furthermore, many of their ideas are already in the bill:

    Ezra Klein - The six Republican ideas already in the health-care reform bill

    44 - Top House Republicans throw cold water on health-care summit
    HUH? The ones in Klein's column:

    (1) "Let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines."
    (2) "Allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do."
    (3) "Give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs."
    (4) "End junk lawsuits

    Are not included in the current PPACA. What am I missing?
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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    They own it if the premise is that by accepting or rejecting a given proposal they are taking action and thus direct the outcome of the event. However, is the kink in this argument that key Republican figures propelled a maneuver that they knew would be unacceptable (and fail in the process) to their opposition, which would then bring us to this point?
    They all own it because it's nothing but pure ignorance to look at the fact we're at the end of the fiscal year needing a year long piece of legislation that historically was used for short term emergency cover for the FIFTH YEAR IN A ROW.

    I absolutely actually agree with the Democratic premise that Continual Resolutions, historically, should be sent as clean bills. They absolutely should be...because the entire premise of them is to give an emergency, TEMPORARY, extension of the status quo to allow the government to finish hashing out an ACTUAL budget for the next fiscal years funding. And it's during said BUDGET discussions and votes that the House, with the power of the purse, historically is supposed to have some power to force compromises and negotiations from a potentially split Senate so that both sides come together to actually do it's job and pass a budget.

    However, for FIVE YEARS now we have been absolutely unable to actually get a budget passed and we have been relying on what has historically and traditionally (Since so many keep liking to use those words when talking about how unusual it is to put additional demands attached to a CR) been an TEMPORARY EMERGENCY type of funding measure.

    The fact it's reached the point that we're even NEEDING a Continuing Resolution to continue funding the government at the sequestration lowered 2009 levels at the very moment of the start of the fiscal year is due to the fact that we've still not had an actual budgetary process occur and have no good faith reason to believe an honest one will occur anytime soon.

    Again, I'm not blaming the Democrats solely on that, but what I am saying is that there's been an across the board failure in a MULTITUDE of ways over the past few years leading up to this point that led up to the situation where this is even a possibility.

    As I said in another thread...this is a situation akin to three guys going out to a bar, buying each other shots and drinks as they get **** faced, competing all night in bar games and going after women, then at the end of the night arguing whose going to get to drive home. Then, once they finally get in the car and drunkedly slam into a tree, the two that ended up in the passengers seat points at the driver and goes "THIS WAS ALL YOUR FAULT"

    No, it's all three of their faults, because **** doesn't happen in a vacuum and it was the actions and poor decisions of all of them that led to the inevitable conclusion.

    I don't blame the republicans in congress that did this shut down, and you know what...I'll have Schweddy hit me with the infraction...**** any one of you that want to say **** to me being biased because I GUARANTEE this is DIRECTLY affecting me more than almost any of your asses (Not saying you'd say this Fiddy, but just know it's coming from some of the normal rhetoric spewing peanut gallery). I'm in no way, shape, or form HAPPY about the actions being taken by ANYONE involved in this right now.

    With the republicans, they campaigned on doing everything possible to stop this law and are standing on principle, and I'm not going to blame them for that. With that said, I ABSOLUTELY think it's a bad idea and a poor decision on their part and while I had no problem with them going to the brink I think it's idiotic for them to take it to the point of actual shut down. But I don't blame them for taking their stand because they're representing their constituents and doing what they were elected to do. I DO blame them for actually letting it get to the point of the shut down happening...and by "them" I mean the Republicans in the House, the Democrats in the Senate, and the President with his piss poor leadership on these issues for half a decade now.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Appropriations and/or continuing resolutions are the only ways to keep the government operation. A budget resolution is merely a framework under which the appropriations "should" move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Appropriations are the ****ing budget bills...

    Appropriations are not the budget. You got the budget part right in that it is a framework for all spending which includes mandatory and discretionary. But the House and Senate budget committees don't determine how the "discretionary" money is appropriated because the Appropriation committees do that and they work within the framework of the budget.
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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    ? the amendments I am speaking of were 3 years ago when PPACA was initially debated on...what are you talking about?
    The government shutdown....you know, the topic of the thread?

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The government shutdown....you know, the topic of the thread?
    OOPs. In #75 the amendments I referred to was in responds to this:

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That's true, but I'm still putting more blame on the GOP.

    The simple fact of the matter is this stems back to the 2008 election. If the GOP had simply just worked with Obama on the initial bill rather than stone walling and refusing to participate, we would not be here AND we'd likely have a better bill...
    Sorry for the hijack...carry on!
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