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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Actually there is a zone of agreement. The last compromise position that the republicans sent over was rejected solely on the principal that the senate and the president would not negotiate with the "hostage takers". The delay of the I mandate and the repeal of the device tax has dem support.
    Come again? The delay for the mandate is nothing but a play for time. The GOP is trying to see if it can take the Senate to force a repeal. You think the Democrats are dumb enough NOT to see through that?
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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Yes, please point out my error...?
    You mean all the points he goes over that embed Republican ideas?

    Again, did you even read the article?
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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Come again? The delay for the mandate is nothing but a play for time. The GOP is trying to see if it can take the Senate to force a repeal. You think the Democrats are dumb enough NOT to see through that?
    This post is a bit dated, but at the time there was some indication that redstate dems would comprimise, as of now IDK.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    This post is a bit dated, but at the time there was some indication that redstate dems would comprimise, as of now IDK.
    Well, right now there are rumblings that the moderate GOP are willing to deal, specifically to pass a clean CR.

    My feeling is that Boehner knows there are enough GOP votes to join the Dems to pass it. But that would mean abandoning his party. The Hasert rule has been violated so many times, but this is something else entirely.

    IMO, the Democrats should hammer the crap out of the GOP in proving that there aren't enough votes. And they should resort to a discharge petition to force the vote. If Boehner really believes there aren't enough votes, he'll score political points in having the clean CR die on the floor. But something tells me he's afraid it's going to pass.
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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You mean all the points he goes over that embed Republican ideas?

    Again, did you even read the article?
    Yes, I did. Especially the part that said:

    All of them -- yes, you read that right -- are in the Senate health-care bill.
    But the 'Senate health care bill' is not what we have now is it?...go on you can say it.

    Now since I posted:
    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    HUH? The ones in Klein's column:

    (1) "Let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines."
    (2) "Allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do."
    (3) "Give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs."
    (4) "End junk lawsuits

    Are not included in the current PPACA. What am I missing?
    ...and you appear to disagree please provide the section in PPACA where these four items can be found...
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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well, right now there are rumblings that the moderate GOP are willing to deal, specifically to pass a clean CR.

    My feeling is that Boehner knows there are enough GOP votes to join the Dems to pass it. But that would mean abandoning his party. The Hasert rule has been violated so many times, but this is something else entirely.

    IMO, the Democrats should hammer the crap out of the GOP in proving that there aren't enough votes. And they should resort to a discharge petition to force the vote. If Boehner really believes there aren't enough votes, he'll score political points in having the clean CR die on the floor. But something tells me he's afraid it's going to pass.
    Discharge petition is off the table, and maybe even the moderate republicans would now resist a clean CR. Pete king (leadrer of moderate group of house republicans), in an interview this weekend said he would not support the discharge petition route.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    very old news---Today, Peter King said his count had 50-60 Republicans who would pass the clean CR if put on the House floor.
    Have any of you found this "Hastert" rule in thye Constituion that will put him in the History books?
    I don't know him personally, but I have been in the same high school gymnasium several times with Coach Hastert.
    I haven't called my congressman's people yet on this one, but they know him very well, have worked for him.
    Kinzinger has picked up a TEAPrimary from a Rockford guy.

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