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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Obama doesn't control Beohner..the tea party does and they are thrilled the gubbamint is shut down and some would like to see it made permanent. So how do you negotiate with that?
    By compromising, or in Obama's case, just point your finger at the other side and tell your minions that it's all the tea party's fault that they won't get a pony for their birthday.


    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The dems have agreed to negotiate if Boehner will allow an up or down vote on the CR.
    Yeah, sure. The negotiations definitely go in your favor if you give up the only leverage you have. I'm sure there's a better than average chance the democrats will negotiate when they hold all the cards.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    By compromising, or in Obama's case, just point your finger at the other side and tell your minions that it's all the tea party's fault that they won't get a pony for their birthday.




    Yeah, sure. The negotiations definitely go in your favor if you give up the only leverage you have. I'm sure there's a better than average chance the democrats will negotiate when they hold all the cards.
    What choice did the republicans give the democrats...either defund Obamacare or shut down the government? By any standard thats extortion, not a negotiation.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What choice did the republicans give the democrats...either defund Obamacare or shut down the government? By any standard thats extortion, not a negotiation.
    What choice did the democrats give the republicans? Either give the democrats everything they want, or shut down the government? By any standard that's extortion, not a negotiation.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    What choice did the democrats give the republicans? Either give the democrats everything they want, or shut down the government? By any standard that's extortion, not a negotiation.
    The PPACA was signed into law and upheld by the Supreme Court. Not all arguments are created equal. The House had 2 years to amend the ACA and instead they spent that time trying to repeal it over 40 times. Sometimes it takes two to tango, and sometimes one person is an antagonist in a conflict. Republicans in this case are the antagonist.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The senate has voted on the house bills. It's the house thats been refusing to go to conference committee with the senate.
    This is statement of yours is absolutely false. The house appointed conferees last Week and passed appropriations for individual departments, it was the senate that refused to appoint conferees. This is when you heard Harry Reid say we will not negotiate until republicans pass the entire CR. A deflection and abrogation of his responsibility.
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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Okay, let's discuss substance instead of ideology. If individuals need subsidies to purchase mandated government insurance, how will he/she ever be able to afford the co-pays much less the deductibles?
    They can't, maybe we should delay that mandate until the appropriations can be worked out. Oh Wait, that was the proposal that the senate rejected, wasn't it?

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Frankly doesn't matter.

    There is no Zone of Possible Agreement. This is oddly similar to the SOF with Iraq. When both sides have a condition that neither will accept, you cannot have an agreement.
    Actually there is a zone of agreement. The last compromise position that the republicans sent over was rejected solely on the principal that the senate and the president would not negotiate with the "hostage takers". The delay of the I mandate and the repeal of the device tax has dem support.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    The PPACA was signed into law and upheld by the Supreme Court. Not all arguments are created equal. The House had 2 years to amend the ACA and instead they spent that time trying to repeal it over 40 times. Sometimes it takes two to tango, and sometimes one person is an antagonist in a conflict. Republicans in this case are the antagonist.
    And now the republicans control the house, where spending bills originate per the US constitution. The house is asking for the democrats to compromise on their demand to make health care less affordable. The democrats are holding everything else in the budget hostage on this one demand. Why should the republicans want to help democrats make health care less affordable? I sent my representative there to fight against this sort of thing. That would make him the protagonist in this conflict.

    Again, this is how our government is supposed to work. If there's anything worth drawing a line in the sand over, it's the legality of the federal government to force the citizens to buy a product from a private corporation.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    And now the republicans control the house, where spending bills originate per the US constitution. The house is asking for the democrats to compromise on their demand to make health care less affordable. The democrats are holding everything else in the budget hostage on this one demand. Why should the republicans want to help democrats make health care less affordable? I sent my representative there to fight against this sort of thing. That would make him the protagonist in this conflict.

    Again, this is how our government is supposed to work. If there's anything worth drawing a line in the sand over, it's the legality of the federal government to force the citizens to buy a product from a private corporation.
    So then why aren't these Republicans holding Medicare's funding hostage? F.y.i. if it was the government offering the insurance and not private companies would you be ok with it? Because single-payer was on the table during the drafting period and Republican opposition killed it.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    The PPACA was signed into law and upheld by the Supreme Court. Not all arguments are created equal. The House had 2 years to amend the ACA and instead they spent that time trying to repeal it over 40 times. Sometimes it takes two to tango, and sometimes one person is an antagonist in a conflict. Republicans in this case are the antagonist.
    EVERY time I see this claim it makes me want to pull my hair out! You DO realize 8 (20%) of those ~40 WERE ACA amendments that both the Senate passed AND the president SIGNED...right? Further MANY of the others were not 'trying to repeal' as you claim...
    Health Care - GOP.gov

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    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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