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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The Senate passed a budget. The House passed their budget. There was ZERO reconciliation because the House refused 18 times to go to conference. I want this to end as much as you do I hope, but not with the proverbial gun to my head.
    Do you understand how a budget is developed by the Feds? It doesn't matter if the House passes a budget if the Senate fails to confirm the budget. It doesn't mean a thing if the Senate passes a budget if the House doesn't concern with it. It doesn't matter if the house and senate pass a budget if the President doesn't sign it or if vetoed and Congress can't overide the veto.

    So yes I know the Senate passed a budget. But did the Senate get the House to approve it? Did the budget go to the President,
    the answer is NO on both. Same as the House passed a budget which the Senate rejected. President never so the budget.

    In general, the President submits a budget to the House. The house modifies or accepts it. Sends it to the Senate, The Senate modifies or accepts. it may get sent back to the House

    If the House and the Senate budget plans are the same and approved by both, it goes to the President for signature.
    beyond a CR that has not happened in years.

    So don't go selling that the Senate passed a budget as its a big deal. What they passed never made it to the Presidents desk.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    So what is your point of yea the Senate passed a bill.
    You made a strong point that the Senate hadn't passed a budget for 5 years. We simply responded that you were wrong. We want to talk. Until you at least see the outline of Sen. Coburn's plan (R-OK), IMO you haven't seen the best out there.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    It doesn't matter if the House passes a budget if the Senate fails to confirm the budget. It doesn't mean a thing if the Senate passes a budget if the House doesn't concern with it.
    Why did the House refuse conciliation conference 18 times. This is why we don't have a budget and it is on Paul Ryan for refusing to allow it.
    So yes I know the Senate passed a budget. But did the Senate get the House to approve it?
    Again, why did the House not go to conference 18 times to work out the budget?

    So don't go selling that the Senate passed a budget as its a big deal.
    You were the one who said the Senate did not pass a budget in 5 years.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Do you understand how a budget is developed by the Feds? It doesn't matter if the House passes a budget if the Senate fails to confirm the budget. It doesn't mean a thing if the Senate passes a budget if the House doesn't concern with it. It doesn't matter if the house and senate pass a budget if the President doesn't sign it or if vetoed and Congress can't overide the veto.

    So yes I know the Senate passed a budget. But did the Senate get the House to approve it? Did the budget go to the President,
    the answer is NO on both. Same as the House passed a budget which the Senate rejected. President never so the budget.

    In general, the President submits a budget to the House. The house modifies or accepts it. Sends it to the Senate, The Senate modifies or accepts. it may get sent back to the House

    If the House and the Senate budget plans are the same and approved by both, it goes to the President for signature.
    beyond a CR that has not happened in years.

    So don't go selling that the Senate passed a budget as its a big deal. What they passed never made it to the Presidents desk.
    Fine then you can't say the House did any different can you? Which House budget got to Obama's desk? The current House has sent fewer bills to the Presidents desk than any other before it. They have become virtually a one branch govt. and have acted totally on their own as if the rest of Govt. didn't even exist. It is unprecedented and despicable in every way. It is as un-American as I have ever seen in a body of the Govt. and is surely creating uneasiness around the world about the sanity of our elected officials.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You think the election was 100% about Obamacare?
    Yes, for me the second election was pretty a referendum on Obamacare....and the economy....and women's rights....and not neccessarily in that order. Romney lost and Obama won.

    What was it for you?
    Last edited by Moot; 10-03-13 at 03:28 AM.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Now the House wants to go to conference? When they already shut down the govt.? Where was Boner when the Senate passed its budget in March? No where to be found because he refused conference. There is nothing to talk about concerning the AHC act anyway. There is a method to repeal laws and the CR is not it.
    Where would we be if we let 18% of the nation decide which laws to like? Does that sound fair to you?
    So do suggest they just stand on opposites sides of a room and do shikiri until something magical happens? I don't know where Boehner was, it doesn't matter, right now is all we have. There is plenty to talk about. This is the way they chose, so that's how it goes. Where are you getting this figure?

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    So do suggest they just stand on opposites sides of a room and do shikiri until something magical happens? I don't know where Boehner was, it doesn't matter, right now is all we have. There is plenty to talk about. This is the way they chose, so that's how it goes. Where are you getting this figure?
    The 18% represents the people in the districts the T's in the House come from. Obama has promised to negotiate on the budget as soon as the govt. is open and the debt ceiling is raised. That is what will happen and no talks will take place until then.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The 18% represents the people in the districts the T's in the House come from. Obama has promised to negotiate on the budget as soon as the govt. is open and the debt ceiling is raised. That is what will happen and no talks will take place until then.
    Well, it seems a lot more than 18% of the House voted for the bills the dems rejected, so, that really isn't an honest answer. Obama made a lot of promises which he failed to deliver on and in fact did the exact opposite hence my unparallelled disgust. Give the GOP the individual mandate waiver and this all goes away for now. Which it should.

    The Debt ceiling should not be apart of this, I don't know who has been keeping that as a strategy but it has always been moronic.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    did you not see their budget this year?
    There has been no Senate budget...please link to it.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Even mike2810 gave it up in post 211. I suppose the House didn't ignore 18 Senate calls for a joint conference either.
    Quote Originally Posted by JMak00 View Post
    There has been no Senate budget...please link to it.

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