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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, if you call twenty years of proposals, bills, debating, amendments, negotiations and a SCOTUS ruling.."ramming down your throat"...then I suppose it was. lol So yeah, let the Dems suffer good healthcare....that'll teach em.

    Btw, my insurance is still the same.
    crappy plans didn't change much

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    I wonder if people could step away a take a truly objective look at the last CR that the House sent to the Senate. It had two riders. Giving the same delay that the Obama Administration gave to corporate and Wall Street interests (making them rather happy) to every American and removing a subsidy for Congress and their staffers which no American making the same income could ever qualify for. This is actually a rather reasonable compromise.

    Whats surprising me is that liberals would be opposed to this at all. Its doesn't halt Obamacare, funding for it remains and it would stop a a sizable subsidy for people who clearly don't need it and only have it for governmental privilege. Does a someone making over $100k really need a 75% premium subsidy?
    The staffer thing is sort of confusing. Originally the staffers had the equivalent of employer subsidized health insurance. I for example won't be buying Obamacare because my health insurance is through my employer. Congress was the same way. With ACA an amendment required congress and their staffers to use Obamacare so that changed. The 75% premium subsidy is the equivalent of the previous employer contribution on their regular employer subsidized insurance. I receive a very similar subsidy on my health insurance, except it's greater than 75% and it doesn't require Obamacare. That is the portion of my health insurance that my employer pays. I'm not a government worker and don't consider the employer contribution on my health insurance government privilege (because I'm not a government employee).

    While congressmen do make over $100k the staffers may make significantly less.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Boehner owns this shutdown.

    He is the one who is choosing to not let the House vote on the Senate bill.

    The Senate has voted on the House bill numerous times, always defeating it.

    Its time for the House to vote on the Senate bill.

    Its all up to you, Johnny.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    HUH? The ones in Klein's column:

    (1) "Let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines."
    (2) "Allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do."
    (3) "Give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs."
    (4) "End junk lawsuits

    Are not included in the current PPACA. What am I missing?
    Did you actually read the article rather than read the bolded parts?
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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    No it not my logic it the point that Republicans didnt have a care in the world when they were spending money and leaving the economy in ruins and left a Dem to clean up the mess. The debt is a republican problem and so is the teaparty both created by them!
    and what mess has been cleaned up?
    Debt still increasing, no passed budget in more than four years beyond a CR.


    So if it was wrong in the past to overspend, then it ok to continue doing it?

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Thank you.
    Someone not blaming Obama for what he inherited and the interest on the TAD.
    Your name is on my rational list, and it is damn short.
    I believe the clean CR accepting the Repubs sequester # is a compromise.
    Then we could go to conference with an agreement not to default on our debt.
    Yet, I am not giving Obama a pass, nor the Senate, nor the House.
    lets see, has Obama in his time in office convinced Congress he will only accept a balanced budget? Has Obama and Congress continue to borrow money, increase our debt?

    Here is a clue, no he has not accepted a balanced budget, we continue to overspend by almost 40%.

    I will agree that the US should not default, therefore the debt ceiling must be raised.
    That said, Congress (House and Senate) and the President needs to get their heads out of their asses and produce a balanced budget. They also need to work on a legitimate plan to start reducing the debt. In short, we can not afford all the spending the govt. does.

    Last I read somewhere our debt is the equivalent to $28,000 for every man, women and child in the US. Now add that on top of what debt individuals have. The US govt has a spending problem.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Now the House wants to go to conference? When they already shut down the govt.? Where was Boner when the Senate passed its budget in March? No where to be found because he refused conference. There is nothing to talk about concerning the AHC act anyway. There is a method to repeal laws and the CR is not it.
    Where would we be if we let 18% of the nation decide which laws to like? Does that sound fair to you?

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    While congressmen do make over $100k the staffers may make significantly less.
    Well then they'd qualify under the same formula that every other American would. Not sure why so many would object to members of Congress and their staff's being required to participate in a system they expect the rest of the country to.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    lets see, has Obama in is time in office convinced Congress he will only accept a balanced budget?
    What would have happened with the economy if we had taken a meat-axe to all portions of the economy equally in Obama's 1st budget? Imagine the Repub screamers on defense. Imagine every lobbying group. Besides, zero economists agreed with that approach.
    Has Obama and Congress continue to borrow money, increase our debt?
    What choice did Obama have on the TAD?
    That said, Congress (House and Senate) and the President needs to get their heads out of their asses and produce a balanced budget. They also need to work on a legitimate plan to start reducing the debt. In short, we can not afford all the spending the govt. does.
    If Repubs led by Norquist and the TEAtards had not sabotaged their own Sen. Coburn's plan in July of 2011, we'd be 2 years from a balanced budget. Coburn put it out after reelection when he was safe and will be retiring from this insanity in 2016. It was an 8 for 1 swap and remember the Repub candidates at their debate? They rejected a 10 for 1 swap--complete lunacy.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    The House wants a conference to put the filibuster back in place.
    The House figures they'll get more than 19 Senators this time to allow cloture.
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Now the House wants to go to conference? When they already shut down the govt.? Where was Boner when the Senate passed its budget in March? No where to be found because he refused conference. There is nothing to talk about concerning the AHC act anyway. There is a method to repeal laws and the CR is not it.
    Where would we be if we let 18% of the nation decide which laws to like? Does that sound fair to you?
    Last edited by NIMBY; 10-03-13 at 12:38 AM.

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