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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    OOPs. In #75 the amendments I referred to was in responds to this:



    Sorry for the hijack...carry on!
    No problem. It's easy to get confused since the two are somewhat intertwined because of the Republican amendments that have nothing to do with the congressional resolution to fund the government in lieu of a shutdown.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    You're kidding right? The GOP offered ~100 amendments to the original bill and NONE of them were considered...wondering how you define 'stone walling'?
    100 amendments all involving attempts to kill or delay the PPACA? Get serious (as in strip out the nonsense).

    Sorry, they might as well just put a provision that Obama should shoot himself... the fact that they compromised from a self-inflicted wound to the temple to simply being tazed while in the shower is not exactly compromise. Putting a poison pill into the CR and then only going out two months with it should be a non-starter among anyone that is being serious as it is with the Dems.

    The President should not negotiate with terrorists.... for one, it sets a very bad precedent. The issue at hand is should the government be funded until a budget can be put in place or not. Anything else is an irresponsible distraction. When with the Republicans throw these buffoons out of their party and get serious. This whole thing is bordering on treasonous.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    100 amendments all involving attempts to kill or delay the PPACA? Get serious (as in strip out the nonsense).

    Sorry, they might as well just put a provision that Obama should shoot himself... the fact that they compromised from a self-inflicted wound to the temple to simply being tazed while in the shower is not exactly compromise. Putting a poison pill into the CR and then only going out two months with it should be a non-starter among anyone that is being serious as it is with the Dems.

    The President should not negotiate with terrorists
    .... for one, it sets a very bad precedent. The issue at hand is should the government be funded until a budget can be put in place or not. Anything else is an irresponsible distraction. When with the Republicans throw these buffoons out of their party and get serious. This whole thing is bordering on treasonous.

    Of all the idiotic arguments made by politicians over the years this one takes the cake! Call it negotiating, legislating or just being a President not a dictator. Obama needs to remember that he is President, not a Chicago gang leader looking to gun down his rivals.

    Talking about terrorists, what do you call a President and Senate majority leader who are willing to toss the country into turmoil because they see it as their best opportunity to win the house in 2014.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Of all the idiotic arguments made by politicians over the years this one takes the cake! Call it negotiating, legislating or just being a President not a dictator. Obama needs to remember that he is President, not a Chicago gang leader looking to gun down his rivals.

    Talking about terrorists, what do you call a President and Senate majority leader who are willing to toss the country into turmoil because they see it as their best opportunity to win the house in 2014.
    We wouldn't be having this discussion if Republicans weren't trying to force the defunding of Obamacare through a CR that has nothing to do with Obamcare.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    We wouldn't be having this discussion if Republicans weren't trying to force the defunding of Obamacare through a CR that has nothing to do with Obamcare.
    Some might call the above an outright lie. I can't keep up with the proposals going back and forth, but I think the last one from the house called for a clean CR for 45 days and going to conference with the Senate to actually put together a budget rather than inane CRs the country has lived with for 5 years because congress ( both house and Senate) have not agreed on a budget. To the best of my knowledge the Senate has not passed one appropriations bill.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Some might call the above an outright lie. I can't keep up with the proposals going back and forth, but I think the last one from the house called for a clean CR for 45 days and going to conference with the Senate to actually put together a budget rather than inane CRs the country has lived with for 5 years because congress ( both house and Senate) have not agreed on a budget.
    I'm not familiar with the clean CR that the house passed.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Some might call the above an outright lie. I can't keep up with the proposals going back and forth, but I think the last one from the house called for a clean CR for 45 days and going to conference with the Senate to actually put together a budgett rather than inane CRs the country has lived with for 5 years because congress ( both house and Senate) have not agreed on a budget. To the best of my knowledge the Senate has not passed one appropriations bill.
    Thats a new one I haven't heard yet....do you have a link?

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Washington Democrats have slammed the door on reopening the government.

    The president isn't telling the whole story when it comes to the government shutdown. The fact is that Washington Democrats have slammed the door on reopening the government by refusing to engage in bipartisan talks. And, as stories across the country highlight the devastating impact of Obamacare on families and small businesses, they continue to reject our calls for fairness for all Americans.

    This is part of a larger pattern: the president's scorched-Earth policy of refusing to negotiate in bipartisan way on his health care law, current government funding, or the debt limit.

    OBAMA TO REPUBLICANS: Reopen the government

    As of this morning, Senate Democrats, acting in concert with President Obama, have rejected four different proposals from the House of Representatives to keep the government running and fund basic services.

    OUR VIEW: The Shutdown Party

    REP. CATHY MCMORRIS RODGERS: It's up to the Senate

    On Friday, September 20, 2013, the House of Representatives passed legislation to keep the government running – funding Medicare, Social Security, veterans benefits, and more – while removing funding for the president's health care law, which is driving up costs and hurting our economy.

    The Democratic-controlled Senate rejected this measure.

    On Saturday, September 28, 2013, the House passed another measure to keep the government running, delay the president's health care law for one year, and permanently repeal Obamacare's tax on pacemakers and children's hearing aids.

    Senate Democrats rejected the measure on a party-line vote.

    (The House also passed the Pay Our Military Act, which ensures our troops are paid during a government shutdown. Thankfully, that measure was adopted by the Senate and signed by President Obama.)

    On Monday, September 30, 2013, the House passed yet another measure to keep the government running and ensure fairness for all Americans under the president's health care law. President Obama delayed the law's mandates on big businesses and insurance companies; this bill would delay the law for everyone.

    The Senate rejected this measure too.

    John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now
    Did Obama remain within his budget? Is he going to stay below the debt ceiling? I mean, he is blackmailing the House to give him more. But the US already has a big budget and enough debt to break the bank. We do not need this.

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Did Obama remain within his budget? Is he going to stay below the debt ceiling? I mean, he is blackmailing the House to give him more. But the US already has a big budget and enough debt to break the bank. We do not need this.
    You've got it totally backwards. Both dems and repubs agree the debt ceiling needs to be raised in order to pay the bills, but it's only republicans holding the country hostage if Obama doesn't defund his own healthcare bill.

    Do you have any idea how much the republican's "blackmailing" the government is going to cost?

    $300 million a day



    Thats not very fiscally responsible of the republicans, now is it?

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    Re: John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You've got it totally backwards. Both dems and repubs agree the debt ceiling needs to be raised in order to pay the bills, but it's only republicans holding the country hostage if Obama doesn't defund his own healthcare bill.

    Do you have any idea how much the republican's "blackmailing" the government is going to cost?

    $300 million a day



    Thats not very fiscally responsible of the republicans, now is it?





    What is 'backwards' about living within ones means? The only way not to is to die before your overdraft is called.
    Now it would appear to me that the debt is now large enough.*
    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time




    Maybe we can get it under control before it forces us into default. Maybe we can't. But if we are forced by other we will lose our position in the world and that would be too bad.




    So stop worrying about smallish national differences of opinion and stop crying for more spending. Look at the clock.




    Thats not very fiscally responsible of the republicans, now is it?[/QUOTE]

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