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Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

Unitedwestand13 said:
Tell me how does losing the 2012 presidential election, failing to win control of the senate, and only possess 17 vote edge in the house, make the republicans the majority?
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The majority of his party. The Speaker needs to realize that if he doesn't get onboard the bus it may just run him over.
 
NIMBY said:
You don't remember the clean CR at a 79-19 vote by the Senate last Friday??
Sounds like a score with Georgia state this weekend..
Only 19 Repub Senators voted against the clean CR.
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That vote was for allowing debate on the bill to defund ACA...
 
Why would the Speaker want to be on a bus with Thelma and Louise??
Most Americans consider him a good man. He will not want to go down in the history books with this TEAfolks.
Tigger said:
The majority of his party. The Speaker needs to realize that if he doesn't get onboard the bus it may just run him over.
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Deuce said:
Right to bear arms. Not buy ammo! ;)
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Same thing.

Versus the Senate and Presidency. They can't pass this via legislation so they want to throw a tantrum to get their way.

Not my term for it. It was a Republican who said this was a tantrum.
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All revenue, tax raising and appropriation bills must originate in the House. They aren't doing anything the people didn't elect them to do. When the people are against the law in question cutting off spending for that law is something the house can use to do the will of the people.
 
They were supporting a clean CR. I agree with you. Their counterparts led by Speaker4 Cruz do not.
AlabamaPaul said:
Why would they filibuster a bill they were supporting?
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NIMBY said:
They were supporting a clean CR. I agree with you. Their counterparts led by Speaker4 Cruz do not.
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Every Repub voted against the stripping of the language to defund the ACA. Come on linc, you know that...
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
cruz was insisting on dragging out the debate. the 79 senators voted to end Ted cruz's obstruction and proceed to a regular vote
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No one voted to end Cruz's time, it expired and was not a filibuster...
 
trfjr said:
shows how much you know you have to be in the majority to evoke the nuclear option

Obama would be a lame duck for the last two years just a figure head with no power if he doesn't get impeached first
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So what has he done to be impeached that right nothing. I tell ya what it would be mighty stupid for Republicans to impeach another Dem President. They looked stupid last time now they would look like babies. Well damn they are !
 
Democrats better never forget this business heretofore.
This will be the fourth Christmas in a row that Repubs have sabotaged.
Obama was spot on to bring it up.
One can only imagine how much better the economy would be if the loyal opposition was actually loyal.
It is 24/7 and voting wrongs still loom.
Unitedwestand13 said:
cruz was insisting on dragging out the debate. the 79 senators voted to end Ted cruz's obstruction and proceed to a regular vote
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This is all propaganda while attempting to condition the population of North America to accept the loss of social programs and to accept the fact that the U.S. Capitalists want to walk away from every promise made to the working class since WWII.

I believe that with this new health care scheme, Obama was able to raid the Medicare/Medicaid Trust fund which held 500 billion dollars.

In addition; I believe that in a very short time, medical procedures which are presently carried out by doctors will be downloaded to nurses and nurse assistants.

Obama Care was all about freeing up (raiding) the funds set aside in the Medicare/Medicaid envelope and to “redefine” medical practices/procedures.

The only real winners are the corporations who will download all "legacy" health care costs to the taxpayer just like they have done with pension funds.

The "shut down" story has totally buried the NSA scandal and any talk of the military industrial complex.

What irritates me most is that only a bunch of fools would not of recognized the "Generational Storm" on the horizon as far back as 1980. (10 thousand people lining up for social security each and every day wanting to collect the 20 thousand bucks per year promised to them.) Yet, the "Leadership" of communities and country chose to ignore it.

I believe that with every decision towards warfare, foreign aid and government advertising since 1980 were made without first acknowledging the Generational Storm heading our way. Every decision to appropriate monies was deliberately made without any care towards honoring the promises made to the Working Class since WWII, and worse .... the Ruling Class knew full well that they could get away with it so long as they hired enough clowns to beat the protesters at the gates.
http://www.dotandcalm.com/calm-archive/EconomicNotes.html

They all act as though this situation just sort of snuck up on everyone and surprised us all. But they had futurists within high society who knew full well what calamity lay ahead.

Calm
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Where was this 61% on election night? If the people truly wanted to repeal the affordable care act, Romney would have won.
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that is such a rediculous claim.

the country didnt vote solely obamacare vs anti obamacare,they voted on many issues(mostly other wedge issues)and considered the economy top priority,healthcare was fairly low priority in that election,if anything romney screwed himself by focusing too much against obamacare when people were more worried about other things.


correlation does not simply imply causation,
 
Kal'Stang said:
Its been delayed for everyone BUT individuals. How is it rediculous to ask that Joe Blow down the street get the same consideration as Companies and government officials?
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Yes, those Republicans are just standing there all doey-eyed with their hats in hand, please Mr. President can we delay this for the good of the people?

And not, you know, threatening shutdown of our government if they don't get their way.
 
beerftw said:
that is such a rediculous claim.

the country didnt vote solely obamacare vs anti obamacare,they voted on many issues(mostly other wedge issues)and considered the economy top priority,healthcare was fairly low priority in that election,if anything romney screwed himself by focusing too much against obamacare when people were more worried about other things.


correlation does not simply imply causation,
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And when the country votes Republicans into enough power to repeal Obamacare, I'm sure this will happen. Until then, the GOP is trying to usurp unilateral legislative power that the people did not grant them.

I'm going to write my congresspeople and demand they throw in gun restrictions like universal background checks, a repeal of DOMA, and a 50% military budget cut in exchange for continued government operation. The people want it.
 
Deuce said:
He could if the GOP had been anything remotely resembling reasonable about the ACA... ever. They latched their entire party onto the fantasy of repealing it with a Democrat in the white house. And failed.

Now they're going to pay for it.
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I think it's funny how the GOP keeps voting to defund a program that penalizes the theft of insurance dollars. The GOP plan in no way slows down free ridership. It's hilarious to watch those who allegedly claim they are for personal responsibility vote to defund a program that nudges people towards that while trying to legislate substitutes that does basically nothing to encourage personal responsibility.
 
obvious Child said:
I think it's funny how the GOP keeps voting to defund a program that penalizes the theft of insurance dollars. The GOP plan in no way slows down free ridership. It's hilarious to watch those who allegedly claim they are for personal responsibility vote to defund a program that nudges people towards that while trying to legislate substitutes that does basically nothing to encourage personal responsibility.
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Except that no one is stealing insurance dollars. :roll: You also don't mandate personal responsibility.
 
Deuce said:
Yes, those Republicans are just standing there all doey-eyed with their hats in hand, please Mr. President can we delay this for the good of the people?

And not, you know, threatening shutdown of our government if they don't get their way.
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Then maybe, perhaps, the Democrats should not have implemented Obamacare against the majority of the peoples wishes? Particularly without any of the Republicans input.
 
It is interesting that Obamacare is almost word for word from the same thing proposed by the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative think tank. It was bad then, and it is bad now. Insurance companies are going to get to rape the American people over this.

But does that mean there shouldn't be health care for the American people? I am torn over this. I agree with Republicans that there should not be an individual mandate shoved down the throats of Americans, but on the other hand, if we tell people who are poor that they are going to die because they can't afford insurance, then we are no better than savages.

Problem here is that the Democrats want to ram their own agenda down our throats, but guess what? Republicans want to ram their agenda down our throats too..... Which reminds me..... Savages..... Yes, that is what our congresscritters are. Savages. Sociopaths. Psychopaths.

NOTE: I have now made more than 30,000 posts. Damn, I gots no life. LOL.
 
NIMBY said:
If Repubs ever get elected POTUS, Democrats should never forget what Repubs have done these last 5 years to Obama. Every "Repub trick" should be thrown back in their faces and then some. If Repubs get the Senate, do you really think they won't go 100% nuclear option?
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i guess you were not in politics in the time of Reagan.
 
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