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Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

Painter said:
Satire?
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Why? The President wants to spend money the House does not want to grant.

The President knew that this could happen, if he went on spending. Now he has spent, what he was allowed and legally has to stop. That seems irresponsible.
 
Painter said:
Where do you get this kind of stuff from?
We just had a Presidential Election that centered on the Affordable Care Act.
The Affordable Care Act WON.
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Then maybe it's time we stopped letting Elections decide what's Right and what's Wrong in this country.
 
DDD said:
I hear you guys shut down your working governments frequently! This concept is absurd around here, we usually go to re-election in such cases. I had to wiki the concept and benefit from its lay back language so as at last understand how selfish parties at the cost of the population could be:

Government shutdown in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I guess you are living in a country without a division of powers? If Executive and the leaders of the Legislative are the same people, there is greater understanding, when the boss asks for more budget. There is less control of the Executive. That reduces the friction, but at a cost. Actually there are really very good reasons to separate the powers of state.
 
joG said:
I guess you are living in a country without a division of powers? If Executive and the leaders of the Legislative are the same people, there is greater understanding, when the boss asks for more budget. There is less control of the Executive. That reduces the friction, but at a cost. Actually there are really very good reasons to separate the powers of state.
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Such as?

BTW, only you have divided powers as such according to Wiki?
 
DDD said:
Such as?

BTW, only you have divided powers as such according to Wiki?
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I am not sure, what you mean. You do not know why the powers of state should be separated? There is quite a bit of political science literature about it. I just checked the German, French and English. There is plenty on the subject in each.
 
joG said:
I am not sure, what you mean. You do not know why the powers of state should be separated? There is quite a bit of political science literature about it. I just checked the German, French and English. There is plenty on the subject in each.
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Meh. Not much of a conversation. Thanks anyway.
 
Hey look...the sun came up today after all.
 
Tigger said:
Yes it is. Absolutely ridiculous that the Democrats and Liberals in the US Senate are too full of themselves to look at what their consituents want instead of what those politicians think the citizenry should want.
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Either the citizenry will want to go back to pre-existing conditions, lifetime caps, and primary care via Emergency Room; or they will make the Affordable Care Act popular once the Exchanges are running.
The United States ranks 51st in life expectancy; we're behind Latvia! Yet the Republican party fought tooth and nail to block the ACA rather than finding a way to mold it to their vision of "freedom" and "limited government".
 
I'll admit that I'm fairly disgusted by this. I think the PPACA is a POS, but this is not the way to address it. Shutting down the government is a temper tantrum. Defaulting on the debt will be even worse, and if we lose our credit rating again, that will affect who I will consider for a vote long term.
 
Dezaad said:
The fact that no one responded to this speaks volumes.

I agree. Dems should counter by saying they want the most popular gun legislation or else they are going to shut the government down and default on the debt. I mean clearly it is ok to do this as long as you feel strongly about it, right?
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I responded to his post. Tell me though, how is adding gun control legislation to a bill that deals with spending at all the same as cutting spending in a spending bill?
 
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uncleray said:
Either the citizenry will want to go back to pre-existing conditions, lifetime caps, and primary care via Emergency Room; or they will make the Affordable Care Act popular once the Exchanges are running.
The United States ranks 51st in life expectancy; we're behind Latvia! Yet the Republican party fought tooth and nail to block the ACA rather than finding a way to mold it to their vision of "freedom" and "limited government".
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This isn't about what people WANT. It isn't even about what people NEED. It's about what the US Constitution lays out as the appropriate role of the Government. I have yet to be shown ANY part of the Constitution which gives the US Government power to get involved in medical issues for the populace. Nothing.

As for life expectancy.... a Proper life lived for 9 years is far better than an improper one which extends for a century.
 
Tigger said:
This isn't about what people WANT. It isn't even about what people NEED. It's about what the US Constitution lays out as the appropriate role of the Government. I have yet to be shown ANY part of the Constitution which gives the US Government power to get involved in medical issues for the populace. Nothing.

As for life expectancy.... a Proper life lived for 9 years is far better than an improper one which extends for a century.
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Unless a new lawsuit with a compelling argument can get to the SCOTUS to overturn the existing ruling, Obamacare has already been found to be constitutional. The larger issue of "What is the role of the Government" has been encroached upon for hundreds of years. The Federal Government has intruded in every way imaginable and will continue to do so as long as the appointees to the SCOTUS continue to apply politics to their rulings. Case law has now trumped Constitutional law for over a hundred years and that won't change as there's too much water under that bridge. The only thing that can be done is to stop the cancer, not cure it. Once it's stopped some repair can be done but you have to understand - to convert this country back into a Constitutional country would require a clean slate and to start over, or some sort of natural disaster or civil war, in which case it would basically be the same thing as starting over.

I guess what I'm saying is, one has to be realistic in what can possibly be accomplished.
 
Ockham said:
Unless a new lawsuit with a compelling argument can get to the SCOTUS to overturn the existing ruling, Obamacare has already been found to be constitutional. The larger issue of "What is the role of the Government" has been encroached upon for hundreds of years. The Federal Government has intruded in every way imaginable and will continue to do so as long as the appointees to the SCOTUS continue to apply politics to their rulings. Case law has now trumped Constitutional law for over a hundred years and that won't change as there's too much water under that bridge. The only thing that can be done is to stop the cancer, not cure it. Once it's stopped some repair can be done but you have to understand -
to convert this country back into a Constitutional country would require a clean slate and to start over
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, or some sort of natural disaster or civil war, in which case it would basically be the same thing as starting over.

I guess what I'm saying is, one has to be realistic in what can possibly be accomplished.
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I don't want to believe it'll take a clean slate but ...
 
PerfectStorm said:
Hey look...the sun came up today after all.
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And no doubt many of the ~800,000 citizens that are not getting paid over this are lying in bed, trying to think how they'll pay their bills.

I'm sure it'll all be worthwhile though. I mean, at least Obamacare's gone, right?
 
WillyPete said:
And no doubt many of the ~800,000 citizens that are not getting paid over this are lying in bed, trying to think how they'll pay their bills.

I'm sure it'll all be worthwhile though. I mean, at least Obamacare's gone, right?
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I'm sure they'll survive just fine.
 
Deuce said:
Democrats should counter with a nationwide ban on ammunition sales.



The people have not voted the Republicans enough legislative power to do what they're trying to do here.
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Wanna kick off that domestic war do you?
 
WillyPete said:
And no doubt many of the ~800,000 citizens that are not getting paid over this are lying in bed, trying to think how they'll pay their bills.
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Better start looking in to those part time jobs we keep hearing about.
 
Ockham said:
I guess what I'm saying is, one has to be realistic in what can possibly be accomplished.
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Even the SCOTUS doesn't trump what comes out the muzzle of a firearm, Ockham.
 
Tigger said:
Even the SCOTUS doesn't trump what comes out the muzzle of a firearm, Ockham.
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Granted, but civil war and the loss of life is crossing the Rubicon. I seriously doubt Americans of any ideology would support a civil war over Obamacare or even a hundred Obamacares.
 
Henrin said:
I responded to his post. Tell me though, how is adding gun control legislation to a bill that deals with spending at all the same as cutting spending in a spending bill?
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How incredibly dishonest of you. You are perfectly aware that the motivation for attempting to defund obamacare is not a budgetary motivation, and if you claimed that was what you personally cared about I would reiterate my characterization of your honesty.
 
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