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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The direction has the opportunity for those who represent us in Washington, to understand their way is not the only way. That they, who are exempt and set in a political class need to reflect what the people want and not what they believe the people need. I think any action that has that effect will benefit the country. The U.S. is better off with divided government and always has been.
    It must have taken a lot of practice to be able to talk so much and say so little. The way it's working is the way a republic is designed to work. I won't argue that divided government is often good, but willfully creating new problems without addressing the existing problems is not progress.


    I don't think there's a benefit to the economy - I never stated such a thing. What I did state however is that there is no harm in doing this and pushing the failed meme that some type of irreparable harm is being done to peoples lives is just untrue, and historically unsupported.
    Since we're sharing records of who said what, you'll notice I didn't say it was irreparable, only significant and avoidable. As far as history goes, the first shutdown goes all the way back to 1976, so historical allusions aren't very useful. Since different shutdowns impacted different parts of the budget, not all shutdowns are as significant as others. The GOP probably saved themselves some nasty backlash by passing the military exception (yesterday.)

    That was the blink, in case you're wondering. The GOP released the most important hostage right there. If they had continued with the military unfunded, today would be considerably more exciting.

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are you going to say that if the proposal to ban ammo were pushed, if would not be detrimental to the democrat party?

    if you wish your party to take a big wrong turn, ...........please proceed
    I will take your dodge of my point as capitulation. Have a great day
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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is misuse of funds.
    I pay x dollars every month for insurance. If those dollars are used outside of those in my coverage pool, that is theft. Misuse of funds is nothing more than theft. You are trying to weasel out of admitting that what is happening is the theft of insurance dollars.

    Whatever you say.
    You clearly spend 0 minutes looking at the GOP alternative proposals.

    Taking money against the will of someone and misusing funds you received from someone on their own free will is not at all the same thing.
    And your dishonesty is running rampant. First, the uninsured didn't receive any funds. They got coverage. You fail right there. Second, the insurance money is being taken against the will of those who it came from and used not to benefit them. There is no free will in the theft of insurance dollars by those who those dollars belong to.

    This is theft and you are directly advocating NOT to stop it

    Again, it's funny (but tragic) to see people like you advocate for more theft.
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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I will take your dodge of my point as capitulation. Have a great day
    you too.

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    you know the more I think about it I tend to agree. As I have post quite often, if Obamacare is as bad as the republicans say it is, they should just pass a clean CR and reap the benefits in the election of 2014. The GOP has all the votes for Obamacare on record now, they should just drop this and move on. Or is the GOP afraid once Obamacare is implemented, it might actually be a good thing.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Polls are for those who cannot separate Right from Wrong for themselves, upside. If you need a poll to tell you whether something is good or bad, you've got major problems.
    This is classic! On one hand you post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The majority of Americans want the ACA either revised or repealed, yet the Dems refuse to even consider changes to the law.
    Then you tell me you don't believe in polls. If you don't believe in polls, then what basis do you have to make your original assertion?

    It certainly wasn't the results of the 2012 election, which the Cons tried to make a referendum on healthcare, but could not parlay that into winning the White House (which they lost handily); the Senate (which they seats) or even, for the matter, the house, which saw 1,000,000 more votes for Dems than Cons.

    Democratic House Candidates Received More Votes Than Republicans

    Sorry, you either don't believe in polls, in which case you had no basis to make your original assertion or you do, in which case, my challenge in the subsequent post you would not have met, in which case you had no basis to continue with your original assertion. Either way, you lose here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    This is definitely the right battle and it's more than definitely the right time. The issue at hand is funding a government which has run so far outside its banks as to no longer be recognizable. ANY legislation to give this government even a single penny prior to the earth-shattering reforms necessary to bring it back in line is inappropriate in my mind.
    You have already gone on record that you support domestic terrorism to achieve your political objectives, so no point in tangling with you on this.

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You have already gone on record that you support domestic terrorism to achieve your political objectives, so no point in tangling with you on this.
    In that case there's probably no point in discussing ANYTHING with me, because I'm very much in favor of using force to achieve whatever goals are necessary in life.

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