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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I don't think the number is quite that small, but it's not large enough, that's for sure.

    If the times and values have changed all that much, then humanities last hope for a decent nation is gone, and humankind no long has any more value than cockroaches.

    As for being crushed by "the man".... that's likely to happen one way or the other. Some of us just don't want to go down without a fight.
    Unless such sacrifice produces results or has at least an average chance of working it's a waste of life. Reality is, any armed confrontation without a majority of support AND (here's the key phrase) willingness of that majority to sacrifice their lives, it's doomed to failure before it starts. It's also one thing to muse about it on a forum board and quite another thing to actually doing it. I take the resolve of forum posters with more than a grain of salt.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm sure they'll survive just fine.
    The point being that this is actually hurting real people. It's not just political theater. We are doing harm to people and to the economy.


    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Better start looking in to those part time jobs we keep hearing about.
    Very compassionate and insightful.

    But hey, it's not all bad news. It's uncomfortable for ~800,000 people (they're just government cogs, after all) and hurts the recovering economy, but at least we don't ever have to worry about Obamacare again, right?

    Mission accomplished, GOP.

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    The point being that this is actually hurting real people. It's not just political theater. We are doing harm to people and to the economy.
    I submit a short term shutdown will not hurt people. This is political theater. Unless this shutdown extends beyond 14 days, people will be able to survive just fine. No children with bloated belly's and fly's in their eyes will occur with a few days shutdown. No one will be thrown out of their homes or apartments because they were not at work for 5 days. Union workers will be assigned to different work locations until the stoppage is over, and non-union workers may just enjoy a few days off.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    The point being that this is actually hurting real people. It's not just political theater. We are doing harm to people and to the economy.
    Very compassionate and insightful.

    Mission accomplished, GOP.
    Like we dont do harm to people already?

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Where was this 61% on election night? If the people truly wanted to repeal the affordable care act, Romney would have won.
    No. Healthcare is a single issue in a popularity contest that is the US elections. It is clear, however, on this particular issue that the general consensus of the American people is against the ACA. Just because Romney lost, doesn't mean the American people disagreed with him on every issue.

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That's BS, you've stated many times government should get involved with morality and that has NOTHING to do with the Constitution. You're just like a hard-core liberal, only you're the right-side version which is just as bad. You like big government when it suits you regarding morality. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that backs YOUR version of morality.
    I have never claimed to be a Small-Government Conservative. True Conservatives understand that a fair amount of Government is REQUIRED to maintain Law & Order. I happen to believe that the General Welfare and Common Defense language in Article I, Section 8 does include the regulation and maintenance of a set of moral and value standards. Those things are necessary for the General Welfare of the Nation, which is exactly what that language refers to (not the welfare of individual citizens, as the Left would have you believe).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Unless such sacrifice produces results or has at least an average chance of working it's a waste of life. Reality is, any armed confrontation without a majority of support AND (here's the key phrase) willingness of that majority to sacrifice their lives, it's doomed to failure before it starts. It's also one thing to muse about it on a forum board and quite another thing to actually doing it. I take the resolve of forum posters with more than a grain of salt.
    There is never a waste of life when it is given up for what one believes in, Ockham. The only failure in such a situation is in the acceptance of an improper society/government or the unwillingness to challenge that society/government at every turn.

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Indeed, the Democrats should have impeached Bush in 2006, as payback for the ridiculous Clinton impeachment.

    The problem with Democrats is they actually think conservatives are civilized people. They're freaks. You can't really reason with them; the best strategy is to totally delegitimizie them.
    The only person freakish and in need of delegitimizing is yourself.

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I have never claimed to be a Small-Government Conservative. True Conservatives understand that a fair amount of Government is REQUIRED to maintain Law & Order. I happen to believe that the General Welfare and Common Defense language in Article I, Section 8 does include the regulation and maintenance of a set of moral and value standards. Those things are necessary for the General Welfare of the Nation, which is exactly what that language refers to (not the welfare of individual citizens, as the Left would have you believe).
    Nothing YOU want is support of the Consitution, so blaming liberals for doing something you feel is unconstituional is hilarious when you yourself want to do things that are unconsitutional. You are using the clause just like the hard-core liberals use it.

    The only differece between a hard-core liberal and yourself is you are currently not getting your way in the government.

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I submit a short term shutdown will not hurt people. This is political theater. Unless this shutdown extends beyond 14 days, people will be able to survive just fine. No children with bloated belly's and fly's in their eyes will occur with a few days shutdown. No one will be thrown out of their homes or apartments because they were not at work for 5 days. Union workers will be assigned to different work locations until the stoppage is over, and non-union workers may just enjoy a few days off.
    Way to rationalize. Since no one is going to starve or become homeless (Ockham promises,) no harm is done.

    Did the GOP decide how long it's going to last already? Could you share the timeline with us?

    If it goes three weeks, Goldman Sachs estimates we'll be about sucking ~1% out of our GDP in the middle of a recovery. <Link>

    Worth all of it, of course, since Obamacare is now dead and gone. USA! USA! USA!

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Like we dont do harm to people already?
    So more harm is the solution? You have much to teach us, visitor from beyond the stars.

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