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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    This isn't about what people WANT. It isn't even about what people NEED. It's about what the US Constitution lays out as the appropriate role of the Government. I have yet to be shown ANY part of the Constitution which gives the US Government power to get involved in medical issues for the populace. Nothing.

    As for life expectancy.... a Proper life lived for 9 years is far better than an improper one which extends for a century.
    Unless a new lawsuit with a compelling argument can get to the SCOTUS to overturn the existing ruling, Obamacare has already been found to be constitutional. The larger issue of "What is the role of the Government" has been encroached upon for hundreds of years. The Federal Government has intruded in every way imaginable and will continue to do so as long as the appointees to the SCOTUS continue to apply politics to their rulings. Case law has now trumped Constitutional law for over a hundred years and that won't change as there's too much water under that bridge. The only thing that can be done is to stop the cancer, not cure it. Once it's stopped some repair can be done but you have to understand - to convert this country back into a Constitutional country would require a clean slate and to start over, or some sort of natural disaster or civil war, in which case it would basically be the same thing as starting over.

    I guess what I'm saying is, one has to be realistic in what can possibly be accomplished.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Unless a new lawsuit with a compelling argument can get to the SCOTUS to overturn the existing ruling, Obamacare has already been found to be constitutional. The larger issue of "What is the role of the Government" has been encroached upon for hundreds of years. The Federal Government has intruded in every way imaginable and will continue to do so as long as the appointees to the SCOTUS continue to apply politics to their rulings. Case law has now trumped Constitutional law for over a hundred years and that won't change as there's too much water under that bridge. The only thing that can be done is to stop the cancer, not cure it. Once it's stopped some repair can be done but you have to understand -
    to convert this country back into a Constitutional country would require a clean slate and to start over
    , or some sort of natural disaster or civil war, in which case it would basically be the same thing as starting over.

    I guess what I'm saying is, one has to be realistic in what can possibly be accomplished.
    I don't want to believe it'll take a clean slate but ...

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    Hey look...the sun came up today after all.
    And no doubt many of the ~800,000 citizens that are not getting paid over this are lying in bed, trying to think how they'll pay their bills.

    I'm sure it'll all be worthwhile though. I mean, at least Obamacare's gone, right?

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    And no doubt many of the ~800,000 citizens that are not getting paid over this are lying in bed, trying to think how they'll pay their bills.

    I'm sure it'll all be worthwhile though. I mean, at least Obamacare's gone, right?

    I'm sure they'll survive just fine.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Democrats should counter with a nationwide ban on ammunition sales.



    The people have not voted the Republicans enough legislative power to do what they're trying to do here.
    Wanna kick off that domestic war do you?

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    And no doubt many of the ~800,000 citizens that are not getting paid over this are lying in bed, trying to think how they'll pay their bills.
    Better start looking in to those part time jobs we keep hearing about.

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I guess what I'm saying is, one has to be realistic in what can possibly be accomplished.
    Even the SCOTUS doesn't trump what comes out the muzzle of a firearm, Ockham.

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Even the SCOTUS doesn't trump what comes out the muzzle of a firearm, Ockham.
    Granted, but civil war and the loss of life is crossing the Rubicon. I seriously doubt Americans of any ideology would support a civil war over Obamacare or even a hundred Obamacares.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I responded to his post. Tell me though, how is adding gun control legislation to a bill that deals with spending at all the same as cutting spending in a spending bill?
    How incredibly dishonest of you. You are perfectly aware that the motivation for attempting to defund obamacare is not a budgetary motivation, and if you claimed that was what you personally cared about I would reiterate my characterization of your honesty.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Government shutdown: House GOP to delay individual mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Finally the Big Government is getting small.
    If only that were true.

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