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    Krokodil--the new flesh-eating substitute for Heroin

    It's bad enough we have a huge 'HEROIN' problem across the Chicago suburbs and now out towards Peoria in all directions with all Demographics..
    Having a former student die of heroin overdose and being close to the parents, I still feel the pain..
    Now we have a new flesh-eating drug, sold as Heroin known as Krokodil..
    Made with Codeine and gasoline/paint-thinner, it is very addicting, used as a Heroin substitute or sold as a Lie..
    Students are literally scratching their arms and legs off and some have lost limbs.
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    Re: Krokodil--the new flesh-eating substitute for Heroin

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It's bad enough we have a huge 'HEROIN' problem across the Chicago suburbs and now out towards Peoria in all directions with all Demographics..
    Having a former student die of heroin overdose and being close to the parents, I still feel the pain..
    Now we have a new flesh-eating drug, sold as Heroin known as Krokodil..
    Made with Codeine and gasoline/paint-thinner, it is very addicting, used as a Heroin substitute or sold as a Lie..
    Students are literally scratching their arms and legs off and some have lost limbs.
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    Re: Krokodil--the new flesh-eating substitute for Heroin

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    Re: Krokodil: Deadly Flesh-Eating Drug Arrives in US.....

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yup. I spent my teen years in a nice suburb around Minneapolis, and it's taken a couple of my old aquaintences. There was a huge smokable heroin outbreak here amongst young people, and that progressed into shooting up.

    So these are people with no degrees, no job prospects, many of whom have even had their parents give up on them, living in squalor now. They're perfectly primed to pick up something like krokodil.
    Krocadile requires codeine or its equivalent, which is prescribed controlled drug in this country unlike Russia. Probably not going to be as widespread as Russia due to lack of availability.
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    Re: Krokodil--the new flesh-eating substitute for Heroin

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It's bad enough we have a huge 'HEROIN' problem across the Chicago suburbs and now out towards Peoria in all directions with all Demographics..
    Having a former student die of heroin overdose and being close to the parents, I still feel the pain..
    Now we have a new flesh-eating drug, sold as Heroin known as Krokodil..
    Made with Codeine and gasoline/paint-thinner, it is very addicting, used as a Heroin substitute or sold as a Lie..
    Students are literally scratching their arms and legs off and some have lost limbs.
    I have not heard any actual medical confirmation it is kroc. The reality is heavy heroin users get infections that can also eat away at the flesh and because of their lifestyle and resources do not get them treated until they end up in the hospital as an emergency. This may also be the case of curious people experimenting with a new high and chosing one despite clear warnings it causes this sort of thing.

    This brings me to another point. The war on drugs and lies about them. When we lie about things and say pot will make you eat babies and play the piano uncontrollably people stop believing real warnings. The insane effects of this drug sounded more like horror stories told about less dangerous drugs that do not do these things. So when drug users who know warnings are mostly a load of BS hear that this drug makes you lose your flesh they ignore them. Barth Salts are a drug that has been continually lied about. They are addictive from what i can see, and due to their nature have probably caused a few violent incidents with an OD or a bad trip. The reality is the US flipped out over them and they became so demonized, and the lies spread like wildfire because some cop made the stupid mistake of saying some crazy dude ate someone's face because of them, yet we know now that cop was a reactionary asswipe who just brought the trust level down on the real warnings about that drug. People flipped out over the fake pot, and anyone who used it knows it was not that bad. So now you got a group of high people who know you lie and a drug that is scaring the hell out of you, and that makes people curious. That high must be amazuing to have people flipping out over it, and the stories are probably considered a lie by people who are high and stupid.

    It looks like we have a real problem drug that has people all scared. Now what comes is fake krocodil which is probably some other mix of heroin or some powerful thing like PCP. The reality is it is stupid to have real kroc in the states because you have better cheaper alternatives, and you do not have a ready supply of available codeine products to convert. This freaking out over a couple of cases that have yet to even be confirmed cases of the drug is going to actually create a market for curious idiots. 2 cases is not an epidemic even if it is real kroc. 2 cases is 2 idiots who mixed some up out of curiosity and screwed themselves, or some law enforcement idiots screwing up. If this drug were running rampant in our streets with these effects we would know. We would have people dissolving all over the place. powerful drugs are not uncommon, and BS info does not help the situation.

    The best defense seems to be something we have already done. That is taking codeine cough syrups off the market and making it prescription only and keeping the supply very low as doctors go more for things like DXM products and antihystemines. In this case actually having easier available less dangerous products like heroin, vicodin, and morphine probably keep the curious away from any stupid ideas to seek this stuff out. In this case a powerful drug like codeine in cough medicines is a terrible idea. It is not actually medicine and only makes you high and not care about coughing. The reason why people made this to begin with was to get a more pure product from the cough syrup. You do not need to purify pure codeine. It is a reality that most of the news warnings fail to recognize. We simply do not have a readily available OTC to be converted to kroc like the russians had.

    BTW most heroin junkies are not going to substitute an inferior product for heroin. Russia cracked down on heroin and there was a drought. The junkies needed a fix and kroc was available and cheap. Even a lot of heroin junkies would rather go sober or look for other alternatives than to do kroc. In the US kroc is not going to compete with heroin on cost like crack does with cocaine because we do not have cheap codeine to convert. Kroc would actually be more expensive than heroin because you would have to use expensive codeine to manufacture it. You just are not getting much higher than heroin. It is not like crack vs cocaine where freebasing is a higher high. kroc is a step sideways or even perhaps backwards to heroin. Heroin is easier to get in the US, cheaper, and it is one of the highest levels of drugs in it's category, if not the highest opiod you can get. If someone is so damned wasted from heroin that they are looking for something more extreme they are screwed anyway. You simply cannot save that person from themselves. That is the sort of person who would be stupid enough to mainline pure bleach because they heard it has a wicked high.

    I am not saying do not warn people, but freaking out and lying is going to have bad effects for the reputation for the people who are making the warnings, and create a demand like it did with Bath salts.

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    Re: Krokodil--the new flesh-eating substitute for Heroin

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I have not heard any actual medical confirmation it is kroc. The reality is heavy heroin users get infections that can also eat away at the flesh and because of their lifestyle and resources do not get them treated until they end up in the hospital as an emergency. This may also be the case of curious people experimenting with a new high and chosing one despite clear warnings it causes this sort of thing..
    My points were directly from Chicago news interviews with Suburban teens as well as a community meeting on Heroin/Kroc..
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    Re: Krokodil--the new flesh-eating substitute for Heroin

    no intentional short-quoting out of context..yours was a long post
    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    The best defense seems to be something we have already done. That is taking codeine cough syrups off the market and making it prescription only and keeping the supply very low as doctors go more for things like DXM products and antihystemines.
    Big Pharma would never allow this..

    Since my Dad died of ALZ, would you hear out a surmise that ALZ really didn't come to be known until WW 2 generation started taking Big Pharma, especially mixed with alcohol?
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    Re: Krokodil--the new flesh-eating substitute for Heroin

    cool..I saw it on late-night news after the MLB game and couldn't take it as a retired teacher who has lost students in high school and after they left..I didn't see the one by MMC..I don't get people minimizing this threat as "reefer madness" and "just shooting up".
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    Re: Krokodil--the new flesh-eating substitute for Heroin

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    My points were directly from Chicago news interviews with Suburban teens as well as a community meeting on Heroin/Kroc..
    There is a problem. You have a huge rumor mill with no real facts when you deal with teenagers and the drug community. It may be that kroc is running through the area. It may also be that some dealers are marketing a product called kroc that is not actually that substance. It might also be that those kids have heard of kroc from the news or people who have heard of it on the news and therefor what those people are hearing is an echo. Just from being in the drug scene i know you do not trust what you hear on the street, it is a good way to die because someone he4ard something and then told you and it was all BS. It is not a malicious thing, but just that there are tons of dumbasses and rumors out there, and the people who actually knwo something are not going to talk to news reporters.

    Plus the news wants to make drama and BS. Remember the guy who ate the person's face down in florida? OMG it was Bath Salts and an epidemic of them that was going to destroy all of our kids and it was the end of the world. Yeah bath salts are around, but the news neglected certain realities. First it was a cop's guess and the guy who ate the other guys face was not on bath salts at the time. The second problem is they ignore the fact people turn to dangerous highs because less dangerous alternatives are not available. Pot is not a gateway drug for most people. It is the end of the road for most users because it is good enough for them. I know tons of people who smoke pot and never go beyond it, but when you start pulling safe highs people
    become more open to these alternatives. Plus, bath salts were sold from almost legit sources. Since there is such a crackdown on anything that makes you high it is assumed, improperly, that because it is presently legal that it must be safe. People forget it takes the law some time to catch up to new things, and the salts are much higher than most people even want to bother with even when legal.

    Yes, i know many of us get our news from a source we expect did some investigation and put the facts together, but the news is a terrible place to get drug news. We need a reliable source of facts without the lies so people can make an educated choice about the drugs they use and the news is a failure all around. Even places that tebnd to do research are way off on drug facts because a huge amount of misinformation and lies have been spread by the authorities and things like DARE.

    I would be amazed if there was real kroc going around simply because of the nature of the drug. It is highly addictive and very dangerous. You would not have 2 cases, you would have a hundred and more coming constantly. The people who do drugs like this are not your average user. They are junkies. The are people seeking a massive high. Even a person like me who has done a **** ton of drugs strays away from the heavy end. Heavy opiods, crack, high end amphetamines, and PCP like drugs are a commitment. The users of those sorts of drugs are not light users. I believe the effects of this drug are real from my research, and that tells me that if it were floating on the street in large quantities we would be hip deep in a huge problem. It would be obvious, and there would not be a question about it.

    It is good to warn people, but the reality needs to be recognized that this is not an epidemic because of the right things we have done to keep heavy drugs off the street. This drug would be dangerous in america if we still had codeine cough medication. You simply cannot get it. It is not even behind the counter like pseudo ephedrine products. Doctors barely prescribe it because better alternatives are there. So if you are worried about krocodil you should be looking to things like pharmaceuticals and doctors and they are not pushing it here like in other countries. If we could convince any countries where it is readily available to pull those products and use a safer alternative like DXM we would do huge damage to this market because the key ingredient would be harder to come by. It does not even make much sense to manufacture codeine because if you were going to go through all that danger as a criminal you would be making heroin or Meth. This drug became popular not because of quality, but rather due almost completely to environment. If chicago has a problem with it they need to find where the codeine containing cough syrups are coming from, or who is pushing and manufacturing codeine. Even Russia seems to have gotten somewhat over this because they changed the environment.

    I am just saying this is not like other drugs and therefor it's dangers can be minimized with thought into the efforts. Even drug users mostly will not want to screw with this because you have better safer highs. It is like an alcoholic swilling antifreeze. They do not want antifreeze, and most people are smart enough to not want kroc when they have what they want.

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    Re: Krokodil--the new flesh-eating substitute for Heroin

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    no intentional short-quoting out of context..yours was a long post
    Big Pharma would never allow this..

    Since my Dad died of ALZ, would you hear out a surmise that ALZ really didn't come to be known until WW 2 generation started taking Big Pharma, especially mixed with alcohol?
    I know I make long posts. Big pharma has already done it in the US. You cannot get codeine containing OTCs anymore. Believe me i have done that research myself. It is not there. It is not behind the counter for regular sale. Doctors barely even prescribe it, and most pharmacies would have to order it to fill a prescription because they do not carry it on hand from what I know. I would imagine it was written off by big pharma because they could not patent it. It has been around forever from what i know so it actually benefits them to keep it off the market so their patented products do not have competition.

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