Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
The Psychology of Persuasion
Only the most desperate of the desperate would use such a dangerous drug.
I watched something on this awhile ago, and even heavy, destitute heroine addicts in Russia were basically saying "i'd rather go without, gather more money and get proper heroine".
The people that use this stuff, have really, truly let go of their lives.
On the other hand, to be frank, a high mortality rate among users could cost the taxpayers less than drugs that make the users just as unproductive, but allow them to survive for decades.
Quod scripsi, scripsi
Yes, i could imagine some idiots playing around with it for curiosity sake but considering the availability of alternatives and the nature of how codeine is prescribed I couldn't imagine this becoming a huge problem. Very simply meth is a problem because it is synthesized from easily obtainable OTCs and the yield is decent. You would already have had to break the law to get yourself some codeine, and it would actually be easier to get heroin, vicadin, or morphine. Even dealers would not have much cause to screw with this to sell because they could simply sell the codeine. Something to beware of, but the environment is different and I don't see this being much of an alternative for stuff we already have without something drastic changing like codeine becoming OTC medication again.
Disgusting! Anyone who does this drug is an idiot plain and simple.
I was in Europe right when krokodil was spreading outside Russia. I hung out with street performers and buskers a lot, who are never too far from the vagrants. Two of them took to krokodil. Within 2 weeks, they had sores. Within 6 months, they were gone. No one is sure what happened, but they were probably dead.
At the time, I gave it 5 years until it came to the US. I have never been less happy to be right.
I have seen meth heads. Speed freaks. Heroin addicts. I've seen it all. But I have never seen anything like a krokodil addict. It is horrifying.
What they're like when they try to stop is even worse. Heroin withdrawal is famous for the extreme pain it leaves the addict with, which last for several days.
Krokodil withdrawal is even more agonizing. And it doesn't let up for an entire month. Usually, they just keep the patient sedated the entire time, otherwise they would lose consciousness from the agony. Quitting without medical assistance is impossible. You'll die.
The worst of all is it's easy to make. It's a cooking drug, like meth. There's no cartels to target. People make it in their own homes, with ingredients they purchased legitimately.
I worry that there will be hotspots of krokodil use in America. Western Europe was pretty lucky. It's not that bad there. But addicts have more hope in recovery in Western Europe than they do in most of the United States, or in Russia, where it's a terrible problem.
I fear the lack of practical and humane assistance for poor addicts in the US will turn this into an epidemic in some places.
Last edited by SmokeAndMirrors; 09-29-13 at 10:35 PM.
I've taken recreational doses of hydrocodone and codeine...and I didn't become a depraved addict. What causes addiction is much more complex than mere availability of an addictive drug. To be frank, I would be curious to take some pharmeceutical grade desomorphine (NOT home cook crap). And I would certainly never inject any drug I was not prescribed to enhance its buzz/make its onset quicker. When you reach that point, you're definitely an addict, and the problems you have are clearly greater than merely a drug.
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