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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I have no doubt that some are doing it because of ACA, but the trend has been this way even BEFORE ACA. I think many businesses are using ACA as a scapegoat to do what they have wanted to for a while. The ACA gives them an out to accomplish this.

    If it was JUST ACA, why has the trend been going to part time work BEFORE ACA was established?
    What?
    I believe the trend was Employers offering Health Insurance as an incentive/bonus.
    Now many of them just can't afford to do so and remain competitive.
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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    What?
    I believe the trend was Employers offering Health Insurance as an incentive/bonus.
    Now many of them just can't afford to do so and remain competitive.
    Yes, but many couldn't afford that BEFORE ACA and were putting people at part time hours. So please explain how that trend was happening BEFORE ACA was passed.

    As I said, I don't doubt businesses are hurt by this, but they were hurting before as well.

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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, but many couldn't afford that BEFORE ACA and were putting people at part time hours.
    Which is irrelevant to it being offered as an incentive/bonus by those who did.
    And of those who couldn't do so previously? Are they able to offer it now?
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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Which is irrelevant to it being offered as an incentive/bonus by those who did.
    And of those who couldn't do so previously? Are they able to offer it now?
    It's not irrelevant at all. You're blaming the ACA for employers not offering health insurance. I simply pointed out that businesses were moving to that trend anyway.

    I am not supportive of the ACA, but I am not delusioned to think that it is the SOLE reason behind this when the trend was already moving that way due to a bad economy. Did ACA make it worse? Maybe. Is ACA the cause of it all? No.

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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's not irrelevant at all. You're blaming the ACA for employers not offering health insurance. I simply pointed out that businesses were moving to that trend anyway.
    Yes it is irrelevant because it was offered as an incentive/bonus by those businesses that could afford it.
    Doing such was the trend.
    That, and the way it is now, are not the same situations at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I am not supportive of the ACA, but I am not delusioned to think that it is the SOLE reason behind this when the trend was already moving that way due to a bad economy. Did ACA make it worse? Maybe. Is ACA the cause of it all? No.
    The way it is now. Reality.
    ACA, unless defunded/repealed, is reality. There is not much choice involved here. Either do or don't.

    ACA is the reason that employers will not be offering it. ACA is that sole reason. That is not delusional, but reality.
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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Many Americans believe dinosaurs and humans existed on this planet at the same time. Is the percentage relevant? If 100% believed it, would it be true?
    Wouldn't make it true, but the percentage is relevant when talking about a political issue.

    We don't decide on Dinosaurs and Humans and existance by votes from the pubic. We do with politicians.

    Let's not bee foolish enough to think that population sentiment, REGARDLESS whether you think that sentiment is an accurate or correct one to have, doesn't have an impact on politics.

    That said, we're still months out from the next election of any relevance, and even during this highly charged time of talking about the program it's only showing a mild percentage of independents (and Dems, but that's a lesser concern politically) actually casting blame in that direction. How much impact it will have is really up for question.

    I don't think it's a huge deal and wouldn't start an OP about it...but I do think you're a bit off base comparing what is essentially a variation of an approval rating on an issue to creationism.

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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    If your employer did this to you, why are you blaming ACA? It was the capitalists and that's the problem. As long as we let capitalists control our access to health care, we will be subject to their greed.
    Keep telling yourself that when all the employers are gone and no one has a job so they can buy insurance, a house, or anything else. Why is it liberals expect everything for free, oh yeah, they're liberals.

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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    While these are very early days for the nation's new health care law, some Americans are already blaming it for higher premiums and few report much in the way of benefits so far.

    The third quarter CNBC All-America Economic Survey finds nearly one in five Americans believe their health insurance costs have gone up because of Obamacare. The answers are highly partisan, but not entirely so. For example, about a third of Republicans and tea party supporters believe they have experienced negative economic effects from the law—about 10 points above the average—but 20 percent of Independents and 11 percent of Democrats are also among the group.

    Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs
    Is it true that MSNBC took a poll of their viewers and 80% blame Bush for the terrible law called Obamacare!

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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Is it true that MSNBC took a poll of their viewers and 80% blame Bush for the terrible law called Obamacare!
    that is the fallback position for all liberals

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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Many Americans believe dinosaurs and humans existed on this planet at the same time. Is the percentage relevant? If 100% believed it, would it be true?
    And will Deuce ask this question again when the poll supports his own views?! STAY TUNED!
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