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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    how many times do I need to say this THE GOVERNEMENT IS NOT GOING TO SHUT DOWN IT IS ALL ABOUT 2014 republicans know the are not going to get Obama care repealed not now. it was to show the public who was on what side on the inevitable train wreck and it will be used to beat the ones how supported the train wreck over the head with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    how many times do I need to say this THE GOVERNEMENT IS NOT GOING TO SHUT DOWN IT IS ALL ABOUT 2014 republicans know the are not going to get Obama care repealed not now. it was to show the public who was on what side on the inevitable train wreck and it will be used to beat the ones how supported the train wreck over the head with it
    Of course, in the real world, the HOR just passed bill they KNOW the Senate won't take up, so the Senate has to go thru the debate process, and send another bill to the House.

    At this point, it's almost inevitable we will shut down- even if Congress works around the clock.

    So the stupid grandstanding is gonna cost us a lot of money- because stopping and starting the government isn't free.
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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    The claim was made:
    'Medium and large businesses are eliminating full time positions and cutting hours to under 30 a week
    to which you supplied this link to refute:
    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    which clearly states:
    True, some employers say they are cutting employees’ hours to avoid the requirement to provide health coverage to full-time workers, which the ACA defines as those working 30 hours or more a week.
    your second link clearly states:
    However the bill does provide a clear incentive to reduce workers’ hours below 30 per week and many employers claim to be making such reductions in hours.
    Is Professor Baker suggesting that the 'employers claims' are lies in his abstract calculations from the CPS? He provides plenty of alternatives companies could use to avoid reducing hours...like dump health insurance and pay the fines. Perhaps he feels (subliminally suggests) they are too dumb to figure that one out.

    It appears you have supported the initial supposition...?
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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    not on the right but the low IQ voters in general
    You mean not ONLY on the right, don't ya????

    But again given some time to push through all the outright lies and insurance company cheap tactics we have time to see what is actually happening rather than what people THINK is going to happen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    The claim was made:

    to which you supplied this link to refute:


    which clearly states:


    your second link clearly states:

    Is Professor Baker suggesting that the 'employers claims' are lies in his abstract calculations from the CPS? He provides plenty of alternatives companies could use to avoid reducing hours...like dump health insurance and pay the fines. Perhaps he feels (subliminally suggests) they are too dumb to figure that one out.

    It appears you have supported the initial supposition...?
    No. The concept is that everything is always in motion. I have no doubt some employers are doing this. I also have no doubt those kind of employers are not real stellar ones to work for.

    But clearly, IN THE AGGREGATE, this shift isn't happening. In fact, if this movement is as big as some claim, there must be a counter movement to get more people to go from 26-29 hrs per week to over 30 hours. (Although I suppose there could also be movement to below 26 hrs/wk, but you need to see that data).
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No. The concept is that everything is always in motion. I have no doubt some employers are doing this. I also have no doubt those kind of employers are not real stellar ones to work for.
    Not real stellar indeed...
    How many in this list of ~300 are public employers?...~240 or so

    ObamaCare Employer Mandate: A List Of Cuts To Work Hours, Jobs - Investors.com
    (please feel free to check the various links in the matrix for clarification directly from the employers on the specifics of their decision)
    But clearly, IN THE AGGREGATE, this shift isn't happening. In fact, if this movement is as big as some claim, there must be a counter movement to get more people to go from 26-29 hrs per week to over 30 hours. (Although I suppose there could also be movement to below 26 hrs/wk, but you need to see that data).
    How can you assertively claim 'clearly...this shift isn't happening' by using the suppositions 'if this movement' and 'there must be a counter movement' then qualify the assertion with 'Although I suppose'? Is this to be considered seriously?
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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    you dont know crap about politics it isn't about who is right or wrong it isn't about what is true or not it is all about what the public believes and perceives
    Which explains why this country has lots of problems. We don't care about facts. It's just perception.
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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Which explains why this country has lots of problems. We don't care about facts. It's just perception.
    it is what happens when the press stops being the vehicle of the facts and truth and start being bias political hacks

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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    it is what happens when the press stops being the vehicle of the facts and truth and start being bias political hacks
    Ever since the media became profit oriented, that's the way it's been. No real viable way around that. People look to news sources to reinforce their beliefs.
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    Re: Americans blame Obamacare already for higher costs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Ever since the media became profit oriented, that's the way it's been. No real viable way around that. People look to news sources to reinforce their beliefs.
    Since the 1700's?
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