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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - With some in Congress arguing lawmakers and their staff should not get subsidies to cover their health insurance as health-care reform goes into effect, the Republican senator from Kentucky told reporters that he's going to start pushing a constitutional amendment that goes even further.

    The proposal will outlaw any special exemptions for government employees. This means all federal workers would have to purchase health insurance on the new Obamacare exchanges instead of getting taxpayer-funded subsidies. Critics have long maintained that those subsidies amount to special treatment. The Obamacare health insurance exchange opens October 1.


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    I agree with this 100%. At the same time put them all on Social Security retirement systems. No special gov't retirements, including Congressmen and women. Obamacare for all Gov't employees including Congresspersons. No other healthcare unless it is out of their own pockets.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

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    Good evening, humbolt.

    : BTW, glad to see you managed the boring 2-day desert trek safely, and are back in the Promised Land of DP!
    I've survived, and I see you have pleasantly, too. Actually, right now, we could all just use some popcorn and watch the spectacle anyway.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Congress should lose their pay on Tuesday also. Especially when those taking care of Veterans in Veterans' Homes are losing their pay.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I've survived, and I see you have pleasantly, too. Actually, right now, we could all just use some popcorn and watch the spectacle anyway.
    I actually got some things done around here...although I admit I was checking DP every few hours, because it's more interesting than housework, you see.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I actually got some things done around here...although I admit I was checking DP every few hours, because it's more interesting than housework, you see.
    What could possibly be more interesting than housework - unless maybe it's power washing the deck? I did watch pieces of the Steelers going for 0 - 4. They made it. So uplifting.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Congress should lose their pay on Tuesday also. Especially when those taking care of Veterans in Veterans' Homes are losing their pay.
    I thought that the House passed something specifically to handle that.

    Good evening, NIMBY. Glad to see you!

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Only for defense department, active and contractors. Not Veterans department. However, each time one of these is pointed out, as our soldiers, they'll pass another CR without telling Dems much about voting and have no discussion on the floor.
    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I thought that the House passed something specifically to handle that.

    Good evening, NIMBY. Glad to see you!

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    So we lost a bunch of posts in this thread, so can't retype everything I previously said but I'll just hit the main thing I eventually came to.

    There is no "exemption" from "Obamacare" for congress.

    There is an exemption however, and one that was not known when people in good faith voted on the ACA containing the amendment we've been speaking of. OPM put forth an EXEMPTION from the standard policy of the government previously to NOT offer subsidies for non-employer provided health insurance. Previously, if an employee did not want to enroll in FEHBP and instead get private insurance the government did not have the authority to offer that worker a subsidy.

    NOW, under this new policy by OPM, congressional personnel are EXEMPT from that rule IF the non-employer provided plan is part of the "health care exchange".

    Prior to the ACA bill, this was NOT something the government could do and there was no reasonable expectation from anyone voting on the ACA that OPM would simply DEEM that such an exemption would exist. There was nothing written into the ACA regarding subsidies because the rules under which the government has functioned for quite some time did not provide the government the authority to subsidize non-employer provided health insurance.

    OPM exempted congress from that standard, provided the government authority to subsidize such plans in certain circumstances.

    No, despite what Harry Reid says, this is not the exact same thing as an employer funding an employees health care. While one could argue they're similar, an employer paying part of an insurance plan THEY choose for you is not exactly the same thing as an employer reimbursing you for the costs of a health insurance plan you choose.

    In regards to "Well, nothing says that other businesses can't do it this way". Really? A business can refuse to provide health insurance but provide a subsidy to their employees to go onto the exchanges, and they wouldn't have to pay the fine for not providing health insurance? Is that possible?

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - With some in Congress arguing lawmakers and their staff should not get subsidies to cover their health insurance as health-care reform goes into effect, the Republican senator from Kentucky told reporters that he's going to start pushing a constitutional amendment that goes even further.

    The proposal will outlaw any special exemptions for government employees. This means all federal workers would have to purchase health insurance on the new Obamacare exchanges instead of getting taxpayer-funded subsidies. Critics have long maintained that those subsidies amount to special treatment. The Obamacare health insurance exchange opens October 1.


    Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare, Rand Paul says - Politics & Policy - Catholic Online
    The individuals or the Government would have to purchase through the exchanges? Healthcare is a benefit offered to some government employees, such as the military. The government pays full cost for healthcare for active military and provides an insurance (TriCare) for dependents and retirees that has co-pays. Is this a type of "exemption" he is talking about? If so, I am totally against it.

    Being "exempt" from Obamacare (OC) because I'm a retiree as well as disabled and receiving care through the VA, I'm not really up to date on a lot of the mandates in OC. The government has already defaulted on it's original contract with the military that promised free healthcare for life for retirees and their dependents. Anything not protecting existing or not improving towards free care for retirees and dependents is something I am totally against.
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