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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Actually, yes, the idea that the government isn't allowed to contribute to health care plans of its employees was your idea, because you made it up. No part of the ACA says the government is not allowed to contribute to employee health premiums.

    Prove me wrong by quoting the exact text of the ACA that would prevent this.
    You have it backwards. See, Harry Reid left out that part about the subsidies, and it went through reconciliation without the text which would allow it. So quoting ACA is meaningless because the subsidy they used to enjoy isn't addressed at all. It's gone. You didn't read the WSJ article, did you? C'mon. Fess up. If you had, you wouldn't be asking for language that doesn't exist. I made nothing up.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Is there something in that monstrous law that allows the president to grant exemptions as he sees fit? Or to delay parts of the law? Because, otherwise, I don't see any presidential power that allows him to parse out laws or exempt people from laws that others have to follow.
    Executive Orders are orders by the president to the administration on how the administration should act. He cant do anything extra-constitutional. For example, he, by himself, couldnt cause the passage of legislation. he can however tell HHS to not enforce certain parts of it or to exempt certain individuals. So...what he is doing IS legal. Now...someone so inclined could probably sue and probably win...but not til it has actually been implemented

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Your apparent point was "Libya has universal health care, Libya is bad, therefore universal health care is bad." Feel free to clarify if that's not the point you were trying to make. You didn't leave much to go on.
    My point was that less than civilized countries also have universal health care. It really doesn't matter how much coverage one has if there isn't anyplace to go to receive treatment. See, people making such statements as the one I responded to haven't really looked into more than how nice it sounds to say such things. I've spent some time in places like Libya.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - With some in Congress arguing lawmakers and their staff should not get subsidies to cover their health insurance as health-care reform goes into effect, the Republican senator from Kentucky told reporters that he's going to start pushing a constitutional amendment that goes even further.

    The proposal will outlaw any special exemptions for government employees. This means all federal workers would have to purchase health insurance on the new Obamacare exchanges instead of getting taxpayer-funded subsidies. Critics have long maintained that those subsidies amount to special treatment. The Obamacare health insurance exchange opens October 1.


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    Firstly - A "constitutional amendment" is a virtual impossibility and I fail to see how a matter related to essentially contract negotiations would require such an action to be implemented.

    Secondly - He makes a good point and perhaps as a way of defunding federal healthcare and reducing the cost of the federal government, he and other Republicans in congress could move to defund all provision of healthcare from everyone who receives a salary from the federal government and force them into these wonderful Obamacare exchanges that the President and Democrats keep touting. Surely, if businesses can save money by pushing their employees onto the exchanges and pay a penalty, the federal government should be able to save $billions because they can exempt themselves from the penalty too.
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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    You have it backwards. See, Harry Reid left out that part about the subsidies, and it went through reconciliation without the text which would allow it. So quoting ACA is meaningless because the subsidy they used to enjoy isn't addressed at all. It's gone. You didn't read the WSJ article, did you? C'mon. Fess up. If you had, you wouldn't be asking for language that doesn't exist. I made nothing up.
    Yes, exactly, it isn't addressed and therefore isn't gone. And nothing in the ACA prevents employer subsidies from being used on the insurance exchanges.

    WSJ has a paywall. No article comes up when I click your link.
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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, exactly, it isn't addressed and therefore isn't gone. And nothing in the ACA prevents employer subsidies from being used on the insurance exchanges.

    WSJ has a paywall. No article comes up when I click your link.
    I apologize for the paywall business. I never thought about that... Actually, it is gone. I have no doubt it was intended that language be included to address the subsidy business, but somehow it was missed in the rush to get a final product. That doesn't mean subsidies don't happen. Obama doesn't have the power to postpone implementation, either, but he has for some entities. This is not the first administration to do this type of thing, but this one does seem to have a particular penchant for it. I will go have a look at the WSJ thing and see if I can offer the article. It's pretty straight forward. I confess to a few yucks at the irony of it all when I was reading it.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I apologize for the paywall business. I never thought about that... Actually, it is gone. I have no doubt it was intended that language be included to address the subsidy business, but somehow it was missed in the rush to get a final product. That doesn't mean subsidies don't happen. Obama doesn't have the power to postpone implementation, either, but he has for some entities. This is not the first administration to do this type of thing, but this one does seem to have a particular penchant for it. I will go have a look at the WSJ thing and see if I can offer the article. It's pretty straight forward. I confess to a few yucks at the irony of it all when I was reading it.
    There is no language in the bill preventing employer contributions, federal or private, to plans purchased on the exchanges. Period.

    Congress must purchase insurance on the exchange. That is the only congress-specific change the ACA makes. There is no "exemption." Period. The existing contributions to Congress' health plans were not repealed.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - With some in Congress arguing lawmakers and their staff should not get subsidies to cover their health insurance as health-care reform goes into effect, the Republican senator from Kentucky told reporters that he's going to start pushing a constitutional amendment that goes even further.

    The proposal will outlaw any special exemptions for government employees. This means all federal workers would have to purchase health insurance on the new Obamacare exchanges instead of getting taxpayer-funded subsidies. Critics have long maintained that those subsidies amount to special treatment. The Obamacare health insurance exchange opens October 1.


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    While we are at it, lets cut the exemptions for unions as well.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There is no language in the bill preventing employer contributions, federal or private, to plans purchased on the exchanges. Period.

    Congress must purchase insurance on the exchange. That is the only congress-specific change the ACA makes. There is no "exemption." Period. The existing contributions to Congress' health plans were not repealed.
    Not "repealed". "Replaced". As I said, legally Congress must present and pass an appropriation for funding to restore the subsidy. It's eminently fair. We are, after all, about leveling the playing field.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Not "repealed". "Replaced". As I said, legally Congress must present and pass an appropriation for funding to restore the subsidy. It's eminently fair. We are, after all, about leveling the playing field.
    Good evening, humbolt.

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