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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by uncleray View Post
    How much would you be willing to bet that Congress will vote itself an exemption?
    They already voted for the opposite of an exemption by adopting Senator Grassley's amendment to require themselves to purchase insurance on the exchanges.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Um, look, the law specifically says that congressional employees must get health insurance through the exchange. They just get to keep the existing subsidy. Which is something any employer can do.

    The only change being made to Congress' health plan is that instead of picking from the current selection of health plans for Federal employees, they'll have to pick from the insurance exchange.

    The amendment to the ACA requiring this was submitted by Senator Grassley.
    And we all know that if the requirements of the ACA are followed, they get no damn subsidy at all because their incomes far exceed the maximum allowed to receive a subsidy. It's just another case of special treatment.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    And we all know that if the requirements of the ACA are followed, they get no damn subsidy at all because their incomes far exceed the maximum allowed to receive a subsidy. It's just another case of special treatment.
    No it isn't. You have the wrong subsidies in mind.

    The "subsidy" I'm referring to is really just like any other employer contribution to a health plan. They select a plan, Uncle Sam pays a percentage of its premium, the rest out of pocket. I do the same with my employees. This subsidy already exists.

    The subsidy you are referring to is an income-based subsidy that is newly created by the ACA. Congress is not eligible for this based on income, as you said. (although some of their staffers might be eligible, depending on family size and pay)
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The ACA did, however, receive literally hundreds of amendments proposed by Republicans.

    edit: 161 were adopted, apparently.
    What does that have to do with anything at all when the republicans knew from the start that they were powerless to stop the legislation? The ACA belongs to the left, lock, stock and barrel. I'll make you a deal though. If it works out well, you can claim all the credit you want. If it doesn't, you're going to get all the blame.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    What does that have to do with anything at all when the republicans knew from the start that they were powerless to stop the legislation? The ACA belongs to the left, lock, stock and barrel. I'll make you a deal though. If it works out well, you can claim all the credit you want. If it doesn't, you're going to get all the blame.
    You're the one who thinks right-wing input, or lack thereof, is important. Personally I don't care who came up with it. It's a mediocre bill that only addresses a portion of the issues our health care system faces. But unlike you, I can criticize the bill on the basis of things that are actually true.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No it isn't. You have the wrong subsidies in mind.

    The "subsidy" I'm referring to is really just like any other employer contribution to a health plan. They select a plan, Uncle Sam pays a percentage of its premium, the rest out of pocket. I do the same with my employees. This subsidy already exists.

    The subsidy you are referring to is an income-based subsidy that is newly created by the ACA. Congress is not eligible for this based on income, as you said. (although some of their staffers might be eligible, depending on family size and pay)
    As I said, according to the income guidelines in the ACA, these employees are not eligible for a subsidy at all. It doesn't matter what existed in their old plan. I can make any arrangement I want with a private employer, but Congress agreed to the same coverage as everybody else would receive under the ACA, and as a public employee under the auspicies of the legislation, they are not entitled to a subsidy, period. Yes, there are some staffers for whom a subsidy might apply.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You're the one who thinks right-wing input, or lack thereof, is important. Personally I don't care who came up with it. It's a mediocre bill that only addresses a portion of the issues our health care system faces. But unlike you, I can criticize the bill on the basis of things that are actually true.
    Then you'd have to admit that Congress in large part does not receive any subsidy at all under the guidelines. It doesn't matter what their old coverage provided - they aren't going to have that anymore. Sucks for them. They can join the rest of the country in that.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Then you'd have to admit that Congress in large part does not receive any subsidy at all under the guidelines. It doesn't matter what their old coverage provided - they aren't going to have that anymore. Sucks for them. They can join the rest of the country in that.
    When every American gets paid $175,000 for a part-time job , we'll consider it then, okay? That seems fair to me! :

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    When every American gets paid $175,000 for a part-time job , we'll consider it then, okay? That seems fair to me! :
    We're going to need an increase in the minimum wage, then. That works out to about $116.048/hour for a 29 hour work week. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    We're going to need an increase in the minimum wage, then. That works out to about $116.048/hour for a 29 hour work week. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
    Me, too, assuming a 29 hour work week. But I think your figures are assuming a 52-week year, which does not exist in DC, so you may have some recalculating to do.

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