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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Um, there is no special exemption for government employees regarding Obamacare. Shouldn't Rand Paul be aware of this?



    His efforts are based on a flawed understanding of how the health care bill affects government employees. His proposal literally is not applicable to reality.
    Review & Outlook: Congress's ObamaCare Exemption - WSJ.com

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Why is it necessary to constantly correct the Left on their false claims when the facts that prove otherwise are readily available? And it doesn't seem to matter which topic is being discussed, either. Do they hope that nobody knows the difference, and they can : their way through things? Strange, indeed!

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - With some in Congress arguing lawmakers and their staff should not get subsidies to cover their health insurance as health-care reform goes into effect, the Republican senator from Kentucky told reporters that he's going to start pushing a constitutional amendment that goes even further.

    The proposal will outlaw any special exemptions for government employees. This means all federal workers would have to purchase health insurance on the new Obamacare exchanges instead of getting taxpayer-funded subsidies. Critics have long maintained that those subsidies amount to special treatment. The Obamacare health insurance exchange opens October 1.


    Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare, Rand Paul says - Politics & Policy - Catholic Online
    That would be something I could agree with it, However, I think his motives are purely political asking for this. I don't see him asking that federal workers be moved to SS or any other public program. So I'm inclined to believe this is just a political ploy to help get rid of ACA.

    Federal workers should ALL be moved to public programs they continually vote for and steal money from.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Why is it necessary to constantly correct the Left on their false claims when the facts that prove otherwise are readily available? And it doesn't seem to matter which topic is being discussed, either. Do they hope that nobody knows the difference, and they can : their way through things? Strange, indeed!
    I don't know. I suppose if no one says anything different, they believe that what they say will be made into truth somehow. It's a complicated issue, so there's ample opportunity to cloud it. There are also those who maintain that the ACA is really a right wing idea - a product of conservative thought. There are examples of such a thing, but I don't see a conservative national program in law on the federal books anywhere. It isn't there, and the PPACA received no conservative or even republican votes at all. I can understand why the left might want some to think that, though.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    he is going for a Constitutional Amendment- yeah THAT ain't political grandstanding! What is with these TP wingnuts???

    If they couldn't get a CA for 'defense of marriage' what in the Sam Hill makes 'em believe they can get one for this??? CONs in the Senate balked at defunding ACA, no way Jose this CA flies!

    Oh the Kaiser Family Foundation has the ACA calculator out to determine your ACA premium costs. I used it and found my premium cost stayed the same 343 vs 344 ACA Silver Plan, but the total out of pocket per year is capped well below what I have now. No AFLAC style riders but the deductible is half what I have now. I can see why the CONs are pushing so hard for defunding, once the regular folks start seeing what is available and start deciding what they will do, the heat will go out of the CON fires.

    Now the attack on 'government workers' that is roughly 8% of the workforce and that includes the military (BLS). Ya'll wanting to end the Military Healthcare system as well????

    According to Gallup if you include ALL government workers- that means state and local- the average is 12%

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I don't know. I suppose if no one says anything different, they believe that what they say will be made into truth somehow. It's a complicated issue, so there's ample opportunity to cloud it. There are also those who maintain that the ACA is really a right wing idea - a product of conservative thought. There are examples of such a thing, but I don't see a conservative national program in law on the federal books anywhere. It isn't there, and the PPACA received no conservative or even republican votes at all. I can understand why the left might want some to think that, though.
    They just seem to hate it when they have to take responsibility for the things they do! That could be easily corrected by thinking things through before they act, but when you are being emotional rather than logical, which seems to be the case in most of their thinking, it's probably not an easy trait to master. That might explain doggedly clinging to arguments which have been proven false by facts? Perhaps that's why is used so much to cloud issues...what else have they got? :

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    They just seem to hate it when they have to take responsibility for the things they do! That could be easily corrected by thinking things through before they act, but when you are being emotional rather than logical, which seems to be the case in most of their thinking, it's probably not an easy trait to master. That might explain doggedly clinging to arguments which have been proven false by facts? Perhaps that's why is used so much to cloud issues...what else have they got? :
    Obama and the Senate cannot run away from this. That has them seething. As it turns out, the "brightest" among us, as they describe themselves, are really pretty stupid. They hate that too. They're the ones that are supposed to deliver us to a perfected society. "We are the ones we've been waiting for", according to the president. I could've waited a little longer for a better result.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Um, look, the law specifically says that congressional employees must get health insurance through the exchange. They just get to keep the existing subsidy. Which is something any employer can do.

    The only change being made to Congress' health plan is that instead of picking from the current selection of health plans for Federal employees, they'll have to pick from the insurance exchange.

    The amendment to the ACA requiring this was submitted by Senator Grassley.
    Last edited by Deuce; 09-26-13 at 04:04 PM.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I don't know. I suppose if no one says anything different, they believe that what they say will be made into truth somehow. It's a complicated issue, so there's ample opportunity to cloud it. There are also those who maintain that the ACA is really a right wing idea - a product of conservative thought. There are examples of such a thing, but I don't see a conservative national program in law on the federal books anywhere. It isn't there, and the PPACA received no conservative or even republican votes at all. I can understand why the left might want some to think that, though.
    The ACA did, however, receive literally hundreds of amendments proposed by Republicans.

    edit: 161 were adopted, apparently.
    Last edited by Deuce; 09-26-13 at 04:12 PM.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare: Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - With some in Congress arguing lawmakers and their staff should not get subsidies to cover their health insurance as health-care reform goes into effect, the Republican senator from Kentucky told reporters that he's going to start pushing a constitutional amendment that goes even further.

    The proposal will outlaw any special exemptions for government employees. This means all federal workers would have to purchase health insurance on the new Obamacare exchanges instead of getting taxpayer-funded subsidies. Critics have long maintained that those subsidies amount to special treatment. The Obamacare health insurance exchange opens October 1.
    Federal workers should enroll in Obamacare, Rand Paul says - Politics & Policy - Catholic Online
    How much would you be willing to bet that Congress will vote itself an exemption?

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