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Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

I just find it ironic the man getting literally a free ride because he popped out of some womans vagina is cutting peoples welfare.

It was just explained that the king was reading to his nation what its government is saying.
 
Sweet sounds like a lot of peoples lives.

Yes, he is much like other people. Except of course that most peoples lives is not filmed every moment, their parents are not out crossing the globe on official duties, they do not have to live in a golden birdcage. They do not need to ask for approval to get married. etc. etc.

Cool good for him.

Yes, he wanted to do something to give as many people access to clean and healthy water.

Good for him.

Every year on Dutch volunteer worker day, the entire royal family goes out and does volunteer work.

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here he is working at a playground for children.

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here are the new queen and the old queen painting on national volunteer day

Actually it still is. He just chose to do all those things.

Maybe, but some say it is his calling and his duty.

Fair point.
I still hate all monarchy.

Yes, and you are from a country with no monarchy. In the Netherlands even the social democrats support the monarchy.
 
Yes, he is much like other people. Except of course that most peoples lives is not filmed every moment, their parents are not out crossing the globe on official duties, they do not have to live in a golden birdcage. They do not need to ask for approval to get married. etc. etc.
Exactly my point.... So why should he have such a high status?




Yes, he wanted to do something to give as many people access to clean and healthy water.
Again. good for him.


Every year on Dutch volunteer worker day, the entire royal family goes out and does volunteer work.
Good for them.
here he is working at a playground for children.


here are the new queen and the old queen painting on national volunteer day
Good for him.
Look what im saying is this, im not saying he is a bad person or anything im just saying i dont like the monarchy as a system as a whole.

Maybe, but some say it is his calling and his duty.
Or he just got lucky.



Yes, and you are from a country with no monarchy. In the Netherlands even the social democrats support the monarchy.
Good for them.
 
Nonsense, first of all the King declares nothing. He is delivering our version of the state of the Union in which the government (of which he is only the figurehead) is making known the new measures the government will be putting forward into parliament for parliamentary approval. The King only reads it out loud. It is a remnant of times when the king was the government and the person who decided those things (early part of the 19th century).


Secondly, it was not the end of the welfare state, what was said was the following:



It is undeniable that people in our current networking and information based society have become more assertive and independent than in the past. When combining this with the necessity to lower the deficit of the government, it leads to the slow change of the classical welfare state into a participation society. Of anyone who can, it will be asked to take responsibility for their own live and environment.


First of all, all of these plans are nothing more than that. The current coalition does not have a majority in our senate and is dependent on the support of other parties to make these plans possible. Secondly, the welfare state will still exist but more efforts will be made to enable a bigger percentage of people who are now out of work into a work environment so that they can once again be able to pay their own way.

The end of the welfare state will not happen as only the liberals would like to see that happen and they are only about 20 percent of our population.


Thank you very much for that clarification. It was quite enlightening.
 
Holland is going to fall on it's ass in the next few years.

on what do you base this? I don't think it will fall flat. I think that it is now taking proper measures, a-la germany, to ensure that it doesn't face hard times ahead.

I just find it ironic the man getting literally a free ride because he popped out of some womans vagina is cutting peoples welfare.


Isnt that ironic... A king who is propped up by the people through social benefits and is basically in a position because of the peoples tax dollars telling the other people to kick rocks... Ironic..

He isn't telling people anything on his own, dictating to them. The government and the elected representatives of the people agree fully with what the king has to say. it's just his duty as the head of state to lay out the course for the nation in a speech. Much like Obama does at the state of the union address. Much like the queen of england does every year too in parliament. Much like every god damn head of state in the modern world does every year or every god damn time it's necessary.

The PM, who has the power in truth, is not the representative of the people. He doesn't hold that title. The King of the Netherlands is the representative of all the people of the Netherlands.

The Netherlands, as in all of Scandinavia, is suffering from mountains of personal debt... probably in part because the government was taking more than half their paycheck.

I'm guessing all over America today that Social Democrat dreamers are crying into their pillows.

Their liabilities are more funded than the USA's unfunded liabilities that go up to 100 trillions. And %-wise, they are less in debt... but their debt isn't as cheap as the US's.
 
The Netherlands, as in all of Scandinavia, is suffering from mountains of personal debt... probably in part because the government was taking more than half their paycheck.

I'm guessing all over America today that Social Democrat dreamers are crying into their pillows.

The citizens of the wealthiest countries in the world have gone into debt when money is nearly free to borrow.
Sounds right to me.
 
Their liabilities are more funded than the USA's unfunded liabilities that go up to 100 trillions. And %-wise, they are less in debt... but their debt isn't as cheap as the US's.


I said personal debt, not public debt. Average per capita personal debt is very high.

Personal debt may very well be the next cause of recession. The Dutch are being wise in this regard as I think they understand what a massive default of private debt will do to their country. They need to let their citizens keep more of what they earn so they can stat unwinding their debt mess, but to do so they need to unwind their welfare state that all those taxes were funding.
 
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The citizens of the wealthiest countries in the world have gone into debt when money is nearly free to borrow.
Sounds right to me.

But watch what happens when it is no longer free to borrow.
 
I thought our culture was one of individual freedom and expression, where I'm free to associate with whomever I want to to express myself in whatever ways I wish to. But God damn if I choose to speak Spanish, choose to associate with other Spanish speakers, choose to celebrate Mexican holidays, celebrate Mexican traditions and culture. That's not allowed you aren't a real American for making the same choices I did.

Hey man as long as you aren't preaching violence or other obvious areas that shouldn't be tolerated than you're free to do whatever the hell you want, that's American culture, maybe its not what you'd choose to do but the hell kind of man thinks he has the right to tell someone else how to live.

there are certain uniformaties that make a state functional and helps secure it's long term health and unity. One of the big ones is a shared language and identity. And while that identity can certainly include a cultural melting pot, at some point you need to perpetuate points of unity and shared interest. otherwise it simply exists on paper and becomes superfluous
 
Holland is going to be in the same boat as Greece very shortly.

1. it is and remains the Netherlands, I do not call the United States Florida, now do I?

2. we are nothing like Greece. Unlike them we do not have a bad work force issue who make a lot but do not do a lot. We do not have tons of government workers like Greece had. Unemployment in Greece is over 27% and in the Netherlands it is 8.7%.
 
1. it is and remains the Netherlands, I do not call the United States Florida, now do I?

2. we are nothing like Greece. Unlike them we do not have a bad work force issue who make a lot but do not do a lot. We do not have tons of government workers like Greece had. Unemployment in Greece is over 27% and in the Netherlands it is 8.7%.

4,000+ Dutch offed themselves through euthanasia last year. Your workforce is dwindling. Between that and your welfare state, that is high on naracotics, I think you'll be in worse shape than Greece is just a few years.
 
4,000+ Dutch offed themselves through euthanasia last year. Your workforce is dwindling. Between that and your welfare state, that is high on naracotics, I think you'll be in worse shape than Greece is just a few years.

There are close to 17,000,000 people in the Netherlands. I think the country can probably endure the loss of those few who choose the route of Euthanasia at the end of their life. Moreover do you have statistics indicating that the Dutch by and large are 'high on narcotics'? From what I've found their rate of usage is much lower than the United States: EMCDDA | Situation summary for the Netherlands
 
There are close to 17,000,000 people in the Netherlands. I think the country can probably endure the loss of those few who choose the route of Euthanasia at the end of their life. Moreover do you have statistics indicating that the Dutch by and large are 'high on narcotics'? From what I've found their rate of usage is much lower than the United States: EMCDDA | Situation summary for the Netherlands

Unless they're losing the best and brightest.
 
4,000+ Dutch offed themselves through euthanasia last year. Your workforce is dwindling. Between that and your welfare state, that is high on naracotics, I think you'll be in worse shape than Greece is just a few years.

Do you not want to die with dignity if you suffer form a terminal-illness? What would that have to do with anything, healthy working age people are not being euthanized. The workforce is dwindling in every developed country which is why immigration is needed. Legal marijuana is Amsterdam has nothing to do with the financial problems of the Netherlands it actually helps it, marijuana is a multi-billion dollar industry.
 
Do you not want to die with dignity if you suffer form a terminal-illness? What would that have to do with anything, healthy working age people are not being euthanized. The workforce is dwindling in every developed country which is why immigration is needed. Legal marijuana is Amsterdam has nothing to do with the financial problems of the Netherlands it actually helps it, marijuana is a multi-billion dollar industry.

What the hell does that have to do with anything I said?
 
Unless they're losing the best and brightest.

If someone is applying for medical euthanasia I think we can safely assume that they are most likely incapacitated and/or near death. I'm also not sure how you could back up the assertion that they are losing their 'best and brightest'.
 
What the hell does that have to do with anything I said?

How can the Netherlands go the route of Greece with all that? Greece never had an economy almost every other European country does.
 
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To paraphrase Milton Friedman, you can have a welfare state or you can have open borders. You cannot have both.

I wonder when liberals will figure out that the liberal immigration they favor in order to get votes will ultimately result in a less generous welfare state.
 
4,000+ Dutch offed themselves through euthanasia last year. Your workforce is dwindling. Between that and your welfare state, that is high on naracotics, I think you'll be in worse shape than Greece is just a few years.

Just an FYI, the last I read up on the topic, drug use was rather low in the country, particularly among the youth
 
To paraphrase Milton Friedman, you can have a welfare state or you can have open borders. You cannot have both.

I wonder when liberals will figure out that the liberal immigration they favor in order to get votes will ultimately result in a less generous welfare state.

It would be great if their borders weren't controlled by the EU. The Schengen Area is a great idea but you need to have a lot of enforcement to keep illegals out and end the Schnegn to less wealthy parts of the EU. It is how Norway can keep it's welfare state.
 
It would be great if their borders weren't controlled by the EU. The Schengen Area is a great idea but you need to have a lot of enforcement to keep illegals out and end the Schnegn to less wealthy parts of the EU. It is how Norway can keep it's welfare state.

Yeah, the amount of illegals passing through greece is pretty insane.
 
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