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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What the hell does that have to do with anything I said?
    How can the Netherlands go the route of Greece with all that? Greece never had an economy almost every other European country does.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    To paraphrase Milton Friedman, you can have a welfare state or you can have open borders. You cannot have both.

    I wonder when liberals will figure out that the liberal immigration they favor in order to get votes will ultimately result in a less generous welfare state.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    4,000+ Dutch offed themselves through euthanasia last year. Your workforce is dwindling. Between that and your welfare state, that is high on naracotics, I think you'll be in worse shape than Greece is just a few years.
    Just an FYI, the last I read up on the topic, drug use was rather low in the country, particularly among the youth

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by keith View Post
    To paraphrase Milton Friedman, you can have a welfare state or you can have open borders. You cannot have both.

    I wonder when liberals will figure out that the liberal immigration they favor in order to get votes will ultimately result in a less generous welfare state.
    It would be great if their borders weren't controlled by the EU. The Schengen Area is a great idea but you need to have a lot of enforcement to keep illegals out and end the Schnegn to less wealthy parts of the EU. It is how Norway can keep it's welfare state.

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    It would be great if their borders weren't controlled by the EU. The Schengen Area is a great idea but you need to have a lot of enforcement to keep illegals out and end the Schnegn to less wealthy parts of the EU. It is how Norway can keep it's welfare state.
    Yeah, the amount of illegals passing through greece is pretty insane.

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yeah, the amount of illegals passing through greece is pretty insane.
    If they want to defend their borders they should do what Austria did and make border control a military issue.

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    It would be great if their borders weren't controlled by the EU. The Schengen Area is a great idea but you need to have a lot of enforcement to keep illegals out and end the Schnegn to less wealthy parts of the EU. It is how Norway can keep it's welfare state.
    The EU does not control any borders. The Schengen agreement is just that, an agreement between sovereign states who remain responsible for their own borders. Of course, if you have 13.6 thousand miles of coastline, as Greece has, patrolling that may be beyond the ability of a debt-ravaged coast guard.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The EU does not control any borders. The Schengen agreement is just that, an agreement between sovereign states who remain responsible for their own borders. Of course, if you have 13.6 thousand miles of coastline, as Greece has, patrolling that may be beyond the ability of a debt-ravaged coast guard.
    Did no one notice the gaping hole in that agreement? The EU has things for example if you are a citizen of a country you can go to any other EU country. The same thing seems to apply with work permits or other such things. Can there not a be a military force patrolling that border? It doesn't have to be Greek maybe the military of another EU country(or countries) since it is in their best interests.

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Did no one notice the gaping hole in that agreement? The EU has things for example if you are a citizen of a country you can go to any other EU country. The same thing seems to apply with work permits or other such things. Can there not a be a military force patrolling that border? It doesn't have to be Greek maybe the military of another EU country(or countries) since it is in their best interests.
    That post makes no sense at all. What are you trying to say? Do you believe the EU controls Greece's borders, or don't you? Schengen makes travel between signatory states easier, although to fly between those states you still need identification. It is also not just an EU convention. Norway, iceland and Switzerland are all signatories. The UK and Ireland are not. It has no jurisdiction, nor does it deal with the issuing of work permits.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    4,000+ Dutch offed themselves through euthanasia last year. Your workforce is dwindling. Between that and your welfare state, that is high on naracotics, I think you'll be in worse shape than Greece is just a few years.
    Yes, a new batch of vile very conservative lies.

    Offed themselves? These were dying people who chose to die with dignity. That is not offing yourself. That in the US babies and people are taken off ventilator against the will of the parent/family is much worse than euthanasia IMHO.

    And of course our workforce is going down, the work force is going down just about everywhere due to the baby boomers of just after the second world war who are going into retirement.

    And high on narcotics? Even looked at the drugs use in my country compared to that of the US? Having more liberal drugs laws and not stupid insane mandatory drugs sentencing does not mean that we have high drugs use.
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