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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I just find it ironic the man getting literally a free ride because he popped out of some womans vagina is cutting peoples welfare.
    It was just explained that the king was reading to his nation what its government is saying.

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sweet sounds like a lot of peoples lives.
    Yes, he is much like other people. Except of course that most peoples lives is not filmed every moment, their parents are not out crossing the globe on official duties, they do not have to live in a golden birdcage. They do not need to ask for approval to get married. etc. etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Cool good for him.
    Yes, he wanted to do something to give as many people access to clean and healthy water.

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    Good for him.
    Every year on Dutch volunteer worker day, the entire royal family goes out and does volunteer work.

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    here he is working at a playground for children.

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    here are the new queen and the old queen painting on national volunteer day

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    Actually it still is. He just chose to do all those things.
    Maybe, but some say it is his calling and his duty.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Fair point.
    I still hate all monarchy.
    Yes, and you are from a country with no monarchy. In the Netherlands even the social democrats support the monarchy.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    It was just explained that the king was reading to his nation what its government is saying.
    Yes, and he acknowledged that in a later post.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Yes, he is much like other people. Except of course that most peoples lives is not filmed every moment, their parents are not out crossing the globe on official duties, they do not have to live in a golden birdcage. They do not need to ask for approval to get married. etc. etc.
    Exactly my point.... So why should he have such a high status?




    Yes, he wanted to do something to give as many people access to clean and healthy water.
    Again. good for him.


    Every year on Dutch volunteer worker day, the entire royal family goes out and does volunteer work.
    Good for them.

    here he is working at a playground for children.


    here are the new queen and the old queen painting on national volunteer day
    Good for him.
    Look what im saying is this, im not saying he is a bad person or anything im just saying i dont like the monarchy as a system as a whole.

    Maybe, but some say it is his calling and his duty.
    Or he just got lucky.



    Yes, and you are from a country with no monarchy. In the Netherlands even the social democrats support the monarchy.
    Good for them.


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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Dutch king declares end of the welfare state | euronews, world news




    So the dutch will start dropping some of the social nets that are there for people. I think they realized the impossiiblity of their situation and the continuation of social security and other such programs for the future. We need a new paradigm to activate in for such things and I think the dutch are thinking towards the future.
    Holland is going to fall on it's ass in the next few years.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Nonsense, first of all the King declares nothing. He is delivering our version of the state of the Union in which the government (of which he is only the figurehead) is making known the new measures the government will be putting forward into parliament for parliamentary approval. The King only reads it out loud. It is a remnant of times when the king was the government and the person who decided those things (early part of the 19th century).


    Secondly, it was not the end of the welfare state, what was said was the following:



    It is undeniable that people in our current networking and information based society have become more assertive and independent than in the past. When combining this with the necessity to lower the deficit of the government, it leads to the slow change of the classical welfare state into a participation society. Of anyone who can, it will be asked to take responsibility for their own live and environment.


    First of all, all of these plans are nothing more than that. The current coalition does not have a majority in our senate and is dependent on the support of other parties to make these plans possible. Secondly, the welfare state will still exist but more efforts will be made to enable a bigger percentage of people who are now out of work into a work environment so that they can once again be able to pay their own way.

    The end of the welfare state will not happen as only the liberals would like to see that happen and they are only about 20 percent of our population.

    Thank you very much for that clarification. It was quite enlightening.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Holland is going to fall on it's ass in the next few years.
    on what do you base this? I don't think it will fall flat. I think that it is now taking proper measures, a-la germany, to ensure that it doesn't face hard times ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I just find it ironic the man getting literally a free ride because he popped out of some womans vagina is cutting peoples welfare.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Isnt that ironic... A king who is propped up by the people through social benefits and is basically in a position because of the peoples tax dollars telling the other people to kick rocks... Ironic..
    He isn't telling people anything on his own, dictating to them. The government and the elected representatives of the people agree fully with what the king has to say. it's just his duty as the head of state to lay out the course for the nation in a speech. Much like Obama does at the state of the union address. Much like the queen of england does every year too in parliament. Much like every god damn head of state in the modern world does every year or every god damn time it's necessary.

    The PM, who has the power in truth, is not the representative of the people. He doesn't hold that title. The King of the Netherlands is the representative of all the people of the Netherlands.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The Netherlands, as in all of Scandinavia, is suffering from mountains of personal debt... probably in part because the government was taking more than half their paycheck.

    I'm guessing all over America today that Social Democrat dreamers are crying into their pillows.
    Their liabilities are more funded than the USA's unfunded liabilities that go up to 100 trillions. And %-wise, they are less in debt... but their debt isn't as cheap as the US's.

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The Netherlands, as in all of Scandinavia, is suffering from mountains of personal debt... probably in part because the government was taking more than half their paycheck.

    I'm guessing all over America today that Social Democrat dreamers are crying into their pillows.
    The citizens of the wealthiest countries in the world have gone into debt when money is nearly free to borrow.
    Sounds right to me.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Their liabilities are more funded than the USA's unfunded liabilities that go up to 100 trillions. And %-wise, they are less in debt... but their debt isn't as cheap as the US's.

    I said personal debt, not public debt. Average per capita personal debt is very high.

    Personal debt may very well be the next cause of recession. The Dutch are being wise in this regard as I think they understand what a massive default of private debt will do to their country. They need to let their citizens keep more of what they earn so they can stat unwinding their debt mess, but to do so they need to unwind their welfare state that all those taxes were funding.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    The citizens of the wealthiest countries in the world have gone into debt when money is nearly free to borrow.
    Sounds right to me.
    But watch what happens when it is no longer free to borrow.

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