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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Do not insult my King, please. He is mostly ceremonial and the speech he made was totally and entirely written by the Dutch government.

    So do not say silly things like "undermining the separation of powers" in regard to my King.

    The Dutch monarch are in nothing like the Spanish ones. From what I read and hear about the Spanish monarchy, you are quite rightly angry at them, but do not suppose that the same goes for the Dutch monarchy.
    It gives me here in America hope that at least more than one person in the Netherlands gets it and has enough information to inform it's people of the hard truth going forward. Perhaps one day, the U.S. will have such fortitude and realize the Nancy Pelosi's of the world have been wrong for decades and should not have been given the credibility they had. Let's hope the truth comes out before we destroy ourselves.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I made no insult. If that was the government's opening of parliament speech, so be it. For some reason I couldn't open the article in the OP. The UK Parliament has The Queen's Speech, an expression of the plans of the government, read by the monarch. It is political, but does not represent any political opinions of the Queen. If that's the same as your king's speech, then I can see there's no interfering going on.

    Occasionally, in the UK, Spain (and perhaps the NL?) members of royalty forget themselves and make political statements that they have no business making. Prince Charles and Prince Philip have been known to do this and are often put in their place by elected officials. That is what should happen. Royals should remain outside of politics, they really have no role to play in day-to-day government.

    The fact that you took my very mild comments as insults, suggests you might be a little blinded by your love of royalty. That happens here in Spain too, when anything other than sycophancy is seen by some royalists as insults to the monarch, and the judiciary often seems happy to trample on free speech to 'protect the dignity' of the titular figurehead at the 'top' of society. If you see my comments as insults, too bad; you need to get some perspective.
    Yes, he has not input in the message at all. In fact it is exactly the same as in the UK.

    In the Netherlands the government is responsible for comments made by the king/queen. All things she say in theory have to be vetted by the government. The Dutch government is also responsible for all actions made by people from the royal house (the small circle of royals who are in direct and immediate line of succession).

    The rest of the royals are much more free to do what they want etc.

    There have been a few problems, most of them purely in the personal realm of the royal family. Our current king in the past has made some remarks that can be classified as "less smart" but the current generation of royals (and the one before) have rarely lead to problems or issues.

    The grandfather of our king (prince Bernhard) has had some real problems. The husband of the queen at that time had accepted 1.1 million from Lockheed Martin to ensure their plane won from the French Mirage plane. A parliamentary investigation came to the conclusion that he had received that money but generally it was known that he did not personally profit from that money but people around him did.

    He was forced to step down from several public functions (board member of several companies etc.) and was never allowed to wear his military uniform ever again. He was very sad about that one. He also cheated on the queen and sired other children.

    But he also did a lot of good for the country, he fought the Germans (his own people as he was born German), was a good business man, saved the monarchy and was co-founder of the Bilderberg group and last but not least, he helped founding the world wildlife fund and was it's first president from the moment it was formed in 1962 until 1976.

    He also was an enemy of the Nazi's. He, as a Dutch citizen and officer, cut off all his nazi supporting family members and when he negotiated with Germans for surrender in 1945 he refused to speak German and conducted the negotiations purely in Dutch.

    He was a wing commander in the RAF (he was referred to as wing commander Gibbs). He bomber V1 launching pads, bombed Pisa, attacked german submarines and flew reconnaissance over enemy territory. In 1944 he became Commander of the Dutch armed forces. He was seen by many as a real war hero.

    He saved the monarchy, when our queen had fallen into the hands of a faith healer. With the help of the government this faith healer was banished and the monarchy had been saved.

    He was a colorful figure who had some problems but overall he was a good man.

    I am a great supporter of the royal family so I took your unfounded accusations/generalizations as an insult, if I went over the top, then I apologize.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It gives me here in America hope that at least more than one person in the Netherlands gets it and has enough information to inform it's people of the hard truth going forward. Perhaps one day, the U.S. will have such fortitude and realize the Nancy Pelosi's of the world have been wrong for decades and should not have been given the credibility they had. Let's hope the truth comes out before we destroy ourselves.
    The really funny thing, is that the government who is making him say this (because as said, his personal opinion might not be anything close to this) is one made up of the liberal freedom party and the dutch social democratic party.

    The welfare safety net will never be abandoned by the Dutch, but it has to be modernized and as many people as possible have to be integrated into the workforce. It is good for everyone.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    He is not a tax payer funded celebrity, he is our head of state, the figure head of our nation. And he is not out to tell people to get to work, he is doing his job by telling the people what the plans for the next parliamentary year is.

    And he does not have a safety net, he has a job/function and is paid accordingly.
    A figure head IS a tax payer funded celebrity. But again, my point wasnt to tell you how to run your country. Only how the statement made relates to our own situation.

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Dutch king declares end of the welfare state | euronews, world news




    So the dutch will start dropping some of the social nets that are there for people. I think they realized the impossiiblity of their situation and the continuation of social security and other such programs for the future. We need a new paradigm to activate in for such things and I think the dutch are thinking towards the future.
    Isnt that ironic... A king who is propped up by the people through social benefits and is basically in a position because of the peoples tax dollars telling the other people to kick rocks... Ironic..


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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Isnt that ironic... A king who is propped up by the people through social benefits and is basically in a position because of the peoples tax dollars telling the other people to kick rocks... Ironic..
    1. he is not telling, he is just reading it out aloud. It is the government who is telling.

    2. he is paid in Euro´s

    3. he is in that position because of his mom being the queen, who´s mother was the queen, her mother was the queen, her father was the king, etc.


    He is the king and as a whole they are much more popular than politicians.

    In my countries bigger parties there is not one party who's supporters are in majority in favor of a republic. Even the social democrats and the former communist party are in favor of the monarchy. The social democrats have a 76% support of our monarchy and the communists/socialists are 66% in favor of the monarchy.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    1. he is not telling, he is just reading it out aloud. It is the government who is telling.

    2. he is paid in Euro´s

    3. he is in that position because of his mom being the queen, who´s mother was the queen, her mother was the queen, her father was the king, etc.


    He is the king and as a whole they are much more popular than politicians.

    In my countries bigger parties there is not one party who's supporters are in majority in favor of a republic. Even the social democrats and the former communist party are in favor of the monarchy. The social democrats have a 76% support of our monarchy and the communists/socialists are 66% in favor of the monarchy.
    I just find it ironic the man getting literally a free ride because he popped out of some womans vagina is cutting peoples welfare.


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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    They are doing very well debt-wise. Not even 80% in debt comparison to their GDP. Then again, they are still doing deficit spending and aren't quite AAA rating country. Their debt costs more.
    The Netherlands, as in all of Scandinavia, is suffering from mountains of personal debt... probably in part because the government was taking more than half their paycheck.

    I'm guessing all over America today that Social Democrat dreamers are crying into their pillows.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I just find it ironic the man getting literally a free ride because he popped out of some womans vagina is cutting peoples welfare.
    And I find it ironic that you seem to have missed the entire point.

    First of all, he is not getting a free ride. Being a king or a queen, a crown prince or crown princess is anything but a free ride. The man has been preparing himself for his position all his life. He also got a good education, was a soldier (navy), is a pilot and has worked as a member of the IOC and worked very hard for water.

    He is very interested in water management and before he was called to become king he was (among other things) an honorary member of the World Commission on Water for the 21st century and patron of the Global Water Partnership. He was appointed as the Chairperson of the United Nations Secretary General's Advisory Board on Water and Sanitation.

    As a pilot, in his free time, he has in the past flown (as a volunteer) for the African Medical Research and Education Foundation (AMREF) in Kenya, and in 1991 he spent a month flying for the Kenya Wildlife Service.

    So to say he has had a free ride is not quite true.

    But secondly, and more important, you state that it is he who is cutting peoples welfare. As said, that is totally untrue. He has about as much responsibility for the content as the secretary who typed it out or the man who made the photo copies. He has not responsibility at all for the content, that is totally down to the Dutch government.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    And I find it ironic that you seem to have missed the entire point.

    First of all, he is not getting a free ride. Being a king or a queen, a crown prince or crown princess is anything but a free ride. The man has been preparing himself for his position all his life. He also got a good education, was a soldier (navy), is a pilot and has worked as a member of the IOC and worked very hard for water.
    Sweet sounds like a lot of peoples lives.


    He is very interested in water management and before he was called to become king he was (among other things) an honorary member of the World Commission on Water for the 21st century and patron of the Global Water Partnership. He was appointed as the Chairperson of the United Nations Secretary General's Advisory Board on Water and Sanitation.
    Cool good for him.


    As a pilot, in his free time, he has in the past flown (as a volunteer) for the African Medical Research and Education Foundation (AMREF) in Kenya, and in 1991 he spent a month flying for the Kenya Wildlife Service.
    Good for him.

    So to say he has had a free ride is not quite true.
    Actually it still is. He just chose to do all those things.


    But secondly, and more important, you state that it is he who is cutting peoples welfare. As said, that is totally untrue. He has about as much responsibility for the content as the secretary who typed it out or the man who made the photo copies. He has not responsibility at all for the content, that is totally down to the Dutch government.
    Fair point.
    I still hate all monarchy.


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