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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    What is the issue there? I see no reason to keep someone on life support for 40 years when there is no chance at recovery. Those are resources that could be much better applied to individuals who have a chance of living a full and happy life
    I in theory agree with you, but that must be done by rule of law (a judge) and not by an ethics board who than forces the issue by removing it against the will of the patient itself or the parents/family.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I in theory agree with you, but that must be done by rule of law (a judge) and not by an ethics board who than forces the issue by removing it against the will of the patient itself or the parents/family.
    the 'rule of law" is simply being placed with people trained in medicine here.

    PS I imagine you're not going to find an instance of removal where the patient can actually object

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    the 'rule of law" is simply being placed with people trained in medicine here.

    PS I imagine you're not going to find an instance of removal where the patient can actually object
    During my research I thought I came across a patient with a living will who said they did not want to be removed from life support.

    And the ethics board may be trained in medicine, but they are also working for the hospital which wants to end the treatment.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    During my research I thought I came across a patient with a living will who said they did not want to be removed from life support.
    But that isn't an instance where a patient can object (showing consciousness). It's an instance where someone set down their wishes in writing, and that were referenced at a later date.



    And the ethics board may be trained in medicine, but they are also working for the hospital which wants to end the treatment.
    But their decision can be directly appealed to a judge and seems only applicable in cases where, even with life support, they are only likely to survive for a relatively short time period (the legislation lists 6 months)

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Well, the topic isnt monarchys in any case. The point was his family does owe their position to the taxpayer. Once he gets a real job where govt doesnt force people to pay him, then he can tell everyone else to likewise take care of themselves. Even if his sentiment is right. He has to set an example.
    Do you think the same about the politicians in this country as well?

    Taxpayers pay the President. Should he go out and get a real job so he can tell people what to do?

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Funny they and you did not mention this part of the Welfare state.............

    "It was not immediately clear if the 100 million euros spent by the government on maintaining the Royal House, with its castles and parades, would be included in the austerity cuts"

    and speaking of welfare for the millionaires and billionaires...............

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Maybe there is a little glimmer of hope within Europe.
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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Do you think the same about the politicians in this country as well?

    Taxpayers pay the President. Should he go out and get a real job so he can tell people what to do?
    Politicians aren't given the job at birth. They have to compete for it and are chosen by the people to provide a specific administrative service, and they have a specific term after which it ends.

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Dutch king declares end of the welfare state | euronews, world news




    So the dutch will start dropping some of the social nets that are there for people. I think they realized the impossiiblity of their situation and the continuation of social security and other such programs for the future. We need a new paradigm to activate in for such things and I think the dutch are thinking towards the future.
    oops you left out the best part of that story......

    It was not immediately clear if the 100 million euros spent by the government on maintaining the Royal House, with its castles and parades, would be included in the austerity cuts.

    Recent polls show confidence in the government at a record low and that most Dutch people believe the cabinetís austerity policies are at least partially to blame.
    Before you shout "Hail to the King" you better listen for the people who are saying "off with his head".

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    Re: Dutch king declares end of the welfare state

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I like the article it points out they spend 100 million dollars on the royalty, he seems content with the money being given to him.
    So do other world leaders. President Obama's family costs the US 20 times what royal family costs the UK?

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