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    Re: 13 People Including a Child Shot in Chicago Last Night!!

    Is it possible for this forum to have a discussion about tragic murders without going off on a gun control debate? Ever?

    Guns or no guns, we gotta get to the root of the problem. Poverty, illicit drugs, and the military-industrial complex fuel this violence far more than the presence or absence of gun control ever could.
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    Re: 13 People Including a Child Shot in Chicago Last Night!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Oh, I agree with you.

    The biggest problem I see, outside of the obvious issue of an embarassing lack of responsible fathers, is that they do not promote and hold up people that should be seen as pillars of the community. Anyone within who speaks up and lives an exemplary life is shunned, silenced, and ridiculed.

    Not only do they kill their own, they sabotage anything positive around them.
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    The solution will never come top pass as long as there are;
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    Re: 13 People Including a Child Shot in Chicago Last Night!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Exactly. I cannot understand why good people choose to live in these war zones. Why they don't rise up enmass and kick the bangers out of the neighborhood. Why they don't step up and identify these thugs and get rid of them. The Wild West did it with vigilante law enforcement
    As much as I despise them, one of the few thing the NOI did that could be describes as "great" was their work to push criminals and drug dealers out of black ghettos. Unfortunately they're racist scumbags and don't carry enough influence these days to make a real impact.

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    Re: 13 People Including a Child Shot in Chicago Last Night!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Exactly. I cannot understand why good people choose to live in these war zones. Why they don't rise up enmass and kick the bangers out of the neighborhood. Why they don't step up and identify these thugs and get rid of them. The Wild West did it with vigilante law enforcement.
    Because they can't. A person will be more assailed by the the criminal justice system than the criminals they are trying to run off.

    So slogans are so drilled to people that they are accepted as truism. Vigilantes the worst criminals of all is one of those. The legal and criminal justice system will not tolerate competition with their industry.

    If GZ has shot and killed Martin while robbing Martin, wouldn't even make a mention in national news. If GZ has been a Latino gang member who shot Martin because he was a random killing or because Martin was black, that also wouldn't make the news. But a looks-white neighborhood vigilante shoot's black kid? OMG!!!

    You are completely right the only solution is to just get out of there.

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    Re: 13 People Including a Child Shot in Chicago Last Night!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    True. And missing persons (even if they are missing for LONG time) aren't counted there too. These are just reported murders.

    Rahm Emanuel must be proud. I wonder if Obama will have him over for Christmas or Hannukah celebrations at the WH to congratulate him on his bang up job.
    True, murdered people whose bodies are not fund are just counted as "missing."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Is it possible for this forum to have a discussion about tragic murders without going off on a gun control debate? Ever?

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    Sure. When we get a mass killing with swords.
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    Re: 13 People Including a Child Shot in Chicago Last Night!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Because they're at the mercy of the criminals and they know it. Because they would stand the chance of being prosecuted for defending themselves or for taking any kind of provocative action against the gangbangers in their neighborhoods. SOME people would rather we tolerate them. It also wouldn't be surprising if some law enforcement officials are bought and paid for by gangsters. Would YOU trust your local law enforcement? These people who are caught in these war zones don't know who to trust IMO.

    Also, many poor people don't have the luxury to just up and move. A lot of them are stuck in these situations without many opportunities afforded to them as far as living arrangements go.
    They might apply for refugee status and get into Canada??

    Or we could just arm them all and let it work itself out like we do in other countries.

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    Re: 13 People Including a Child Shot in Chicago Last Night!!

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    You can chill out, I'm a libertarian now.

    Wow...a floating lean.

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    Re: 13 People Including a Child Shot in Chicago Last Night!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Is it possible for this forum to have a discussion about tragic murders without going off on a gun control debate? Ever?

    Guns or no guns, we gotta get to the root of the problem. Poverty, illicit drugs, and the military-industrial complex fuel this violence far more than the presence or absence of gun control ever could.
    Its way beyond the Military industrial complex that fuels this.....the divide is Right here. Almost damn near like the Sunni and Shia. But just not based on that concept. The Concept here is......the Folks and the People. Which doesn't include the Jamaicans. Although do take note of the last I listed here. These are just the 100 that top inside the City Limits. I have only put up some of the more known names. Which goes with them anywhere in the Country. East Coast, West Coast, Down South Mash-up. Any else coming here.....like the Bloods and Crips. They were forced to ride People and Folks too. Same with any out of NY.

    Street gangs in Chicago, Illinois

    Asian street gangs in Chicago

    1.Asian Boyz
    2.Black Shadow
    3.Black Widows

    Folk street gangs in Chicago

    7.Ambrose
    9.Black Disciples
    12.Gangster Disciples (GD), branches include Eight ball Posse, Insane Gangster Disciples and Hellraisers
    13.Gangster Party People
    14.Harrison Gents
    15.Insane C-Notes
    16.Insane Campbell Boys

    People street gangs in Chicago

    46.Black P Stones (braches include Apache Stones, Jet Black Stones, Titanic Stones, Ruben Night Stones, Jabari Stones, & Black Stone Villans)
    47.Four Corner Hustlers
    48.Familia Stones
    49.Gaylords
    50.Insane Popes (South Side)
    63.Spanish Lords
    66.Vice Lords (Branches include the Conservative VLs, Unknown VLs, Insane VLs, Renegade VLs, Mafia Insane VLs, Imperial Insane VLs, Cicero Insane VLs, Spanish VLs, Traveler VLs, Outlaw Lunatic Traveler VLs, Ebony VLs, Gangster Stone VLs, Undertaker VLs, & 4VLs.)

    72.Almighty Latin King / Queen Nation (ALKQN)
    73.Aztecas
    74.Aztec Souls
    84.La Onda
    86.Latin Mafia
    93.South Deering Boys
    94.Sawyer Boys
    95.The Arabian Posse.....snip~

    Street gangs in Chicago, Illinois | StreetGangs.Com

    Note: the Kings, The Vice Lords, The Stones, and the Gangster Disciples all have political backing and all act as activists for voting.
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