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Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

Their gerry-mandered constituents.
What do you think of Dems getting more total votes for the House and the Repubs have such a big lead in seats?
Opposite of what the Founders wanted.
The reason why we have the 17th amendment.
Thank goodness for T. Roosevelt, huh!
They answer to their constituents, so yes...
 
How about chained CPI, another Repub scheme to defund Social Security.
You guys won't be happy unhtil you cancel everything back through FDR and give us a 2nd world-wide depression.

linc, you're grasping once again. Unless you want to raise taxes to provide increased levels of benefits, there has to be modifications...
 
How about chained CPI, another Repub scheme to defund Social Security.
You guys won't be happy unhtil you cancel everything back through FDR and give us a 2nd world-wide depression.

And your point? What ever made you think we would get to the point where we would agree with your social agenda?
 
I'm blaming Hughes for purposely expanding the regulatory power of the federal government and state governments. He was the kind of guy that would argue for government authority even if it violated the rights of people, so excuse me if I consider him a douchebag.

which hughes are we talking about here just for the record
 
And your agenda is what?
Is it to go back to the 1930's caused by the Repubs?
If it is, you're sabotaging pretty well.
In their case, they didn't know any better.
And your point? What ever made you think we would get to the point where we would agree with your social agenda?
 
Their gerry-mandered constituents.
What do you think of Dems getting more total votes for the House and the Repubs have such a big lead in seats?
Opposite of what the Founders wanted.
The reason why we have the 17th amendment.
Thank goodness for T. Roosevelt, huh!

Total votes don't matter as House members are elected by district. This is the same type of fallacy put forth about the electoral college where winner takes all in the Presidential election which was not original intent...
 
Can Republicans get over the fact they lost? The nation did not want them ruling. We have seen 30 plus years of these jokers at the helm. Lets just say it wasn't pretty. "deficits don't matter", "Iraq is a dangerous threat", "Russia is going to attack", "Trickle down". all to the benefit of the top earners. Now they are crying again about afa. When will they get the message it aint gonna happen? Talk about a bunch of insane crazy people doing the same thing over, and over again, 42 by my count. AFA is off the table Republicans need to do their job. We don't need terrorist in our own country and that is exactly what they are doing now. I would not be so harsh, but what would the replace it with......we are still waiting for that one!
 
which hughes are we talking about here just for the record

Charles Evans Hughes. Was that not the Hughes you brought up? Maybe you should research the men you bring up as the people Republicans need to be like.
 
Now you're on to taxes, in a back-hand sort of way to come up with something.
I'll give some credit there.
These are not INCREASED levels for people.
This is SOMETHING they don't even have.
Once you mention modifications, now we're talking.
Btw, I do have the ear of some of my Repub Congressman's people.
linc, you're grasping once again. Unless you want to raise taxes to provide increased levels of benefits, there has to be modifications...
 
So you're saying total votes don't matter for either the House or Senate.
And it doesn't bother you that we have a 17th amendment because of Gerry-mandering Repubs for 50 yeaqrs after Lincoln.
Thank Goodness for that Progress---ive T. Roosevelt.
Total votes don't matter as House members are elected by district. This is the same type of fallacy put forth about the electoral college where winner takes all in the Presidential election which was not original intent...
 
Now you're on to taxes, in a back-hand sort of way to come up with something.
I'll give some credit there.
These are not INCREASED levels for people.
This is SOMETHING they don't even have.
Once you mention modifications, now we're talking.
Btw, I do have the ear of some of my Repub Congressman's people.

Yes, taxes support SS, and we can discuss the ramifications at your leisure, but I'm out for the evening... Good night...
 
Can Republicans get over the fact they lost? The nation did not want them ruling. We have seen 30 plus years of these jokers at the helm. Lets just say it wasn't pretty. "deficits don't matter", "Iraq is a dangerous threat", "Russia is going to attack", "Trickle down". all to the benefit of the top earners. Now they are crying again about afa. When will they get the message it aint gonna happen? Talk about a bunch of insane crazy people doing the same thing over, and over again, 42 by my count. AFA is off the table Republicans need to do their job. We don't need terrorist in our own country and that is exactly what they are doing now. I would not be so harsh, but what would the replace it with......we are still waiting for that one!

There is no reason to offer a replacement when the federal government lacks the authority to be involved in the matter in the first place.
 
There is no reason to offer a replacement when the federal government lacks the authority to be involved in the matter in the first place.

Sorry ya'll lost that battle to it the law deal with it. Put something better in place or STFU! Pretty simple!
 
Sure. That shows just how bad it really is. It is more like half. If we made poverty less comfortable than work more people would work. If we eliminated the job killing regulations by eliminating the 500 independent agencies and all of their regulations we would return to full employment easily.

I thought everyone loved executive agencies. Isn't it just great the president has so many ways around the other branches of government? The Supreme court seems to think so.
 
Sorry ya'll lost that battle to it the law deal with it. Put something better in place or STFU! Pretty simple!

Since when has it ever worked like that? You either figure out a way to make me shut up or deal with me continually trying to stop you.
 
Since when has it ever worked like that? You either figure out a way to make me shut up or deal with me continually trying to stop you.

I cannot help the fact that Republicans/Teabaggers/Libertarians/ or what ever the flavor of the day is. Ya'll lost its time to move on. This is by far and away the worst House I have ever seen a bunch of whiny babies. I meant shut up as in all the righties. Right now you people act like someone stole your pacifier and your diaper is full it been that way for 6 years now.
 
I cannot help the fact that Republicans/Teabaggers/Libertarians/ or what ever the flavor of the day is. Ya'll lost its time to move on. This is by far and away the worst House I have ever seen a bunch of whiny babies. I meant shut up as in all the righties. Right now you people act like someone stole your pacifier and your diaper is full it been that way for 6 years now.

Just like I have no plans to offer any alternatives to Obamacare I have no plans in stopping my support of whatever methods are necessary to undo the welfare state and the liberal agenda. I don't care that you passed some law and think it's over. It's not, and it will never will be over until you shut people like me up forever.
 
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Sorry ya'll lost that battle to it the law deal with it. Put something better in place or STFU! Pretty simple!

Interesting...

When GWB and a GOP congress decided to invade Iraq did you STFU?

When GWB and a GOP congress passed the tax cuts did you STFU?

When GWB and a DEMOCRATIC congress passed TARP did you STFU?

I could go on but I'm thinking you did NOT...
 
I cannot help the fact that Republicans/Teabaggers/Libertarians/ or what ever the flavor of the day is. Ya'll lost its time to move on. This is by far and away the worst House I have ever seen a bunch of whiny babies. I meant shut up as in all the righties. Right now you people act like someone stole your pacifier and your diaper is full it been that way for 6 years now.

It's funny but YOU seem to be the one whining...perhaps check your diaper...
 
Obviously, what Spkr Boehner and House Tea Party Republicans are proposing is nothing more than a partisan gimmick at best, anarchy at worse. What they're trying to do is put the blame of a government shutdown should it come to that squarely on the back of the President and Senate Democrats, i.e., "don't pass a Continuing Resolution to keep the government funded and it's all 'their' fault". Problem is, Boehner and the Tea Partiers he abdicated to forget about this document called the Constitution.

Article 1:

Sect. 1 - All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Sect. 2, Clause 18 - To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

Sect. 7, Clause 2 - Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it.

Sect. 9, Clause 7 - No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law.

It's really simple, ladies and gentlemen. Contrary to what you may be hearing on Conservative talk radio or on FoxNews, if Congress (specifically, Tea Party Republicans) refuses to adhere to the very bill they passed which subsequently became law, towit, "ObamaCare", they in effect are in direct violation of the Constitution. Put simply, Sen. Reid was 100% correct when he called those who came up with this stupid defunding measure as anarchist. They may not like ObamaCare, but to use a defunding measure to force a President to abandon it which would, in effect, throw the entire country into chaos. Such an action is extremely irresponsible and violates their oath of office as federal legislators. Those who favor this measure would be doing the same thing they claim the President has done - picking and choosing which laws they will uphold and which ones they will ignore.
 
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And you're not blaming a House bill even Repub senators won't sustain a cloture are you?
Does Canada pay her bills on time?
Do Canada pols work more than 40 days in 5 months as our House?
And look at the excretement so far from the GOP House.

There's lots wrong with our form of government too, but it's only as bad as the people you elect. The very fact you elected then reelected a total failure like Obama is why you have the reaction of a strong, largely anti-Obama House. Obama refused to compromise and work to consensus with Republicans so people elected House representatives who wouldn't compromise from the right - it's that simple. Every President before Obama found people on the other side in congress to work with and they got things done - Obama believes he's always right and the only one that counts and doesn't work with the "lowly" congress. It's why he's irrelevant. Boehner has it right - work within the House then work with the Senate and then, if something gets done let Obama sign it or not - just don't let him in on the discussions.
 
Because he doesn't really have a choice. Whether or not he likes it, Obama is President until 2017.

So Boehner can work with that for the good of the country, or he can play silly political theatre. I think we all know what he'll choose, which is very sad.

In addition to being dishonest, the President is irrelevant. There is no need to bring him into the discussions. The House can pass a bill, the Senate can pass a bill, and the two can work it out - when they come to agreement, they will have a bill to send to Obama and he can sign it or not. That's the way government has to work in the US for the next 3 plus years while you have the most incompetent, delusional President in my lifetime. Leave Obama to nonsense campaign type tours, stupid sit downs with news anchors, and golf - the country will survive his disasterous "reign".
 
Obama refused to compromise and work to consensus with Republicans so people elected House representatives who wouldn't compromise from the right - it's that simple.
There are things I don't like about Obama's presidency but are you out of your mind?

There have been times when Obama wanted to give House Republicans EVERYTHING they've asked for, no strings attached, and they still rebelled. There is literally nothing that Obama could do in some instances that the Republican House would negotiate on. Find a way to work with Republicans in the House? Many of those House members said they would work against Obama before he was even sworn into office. Obama has been far more compromising than most people.

If Obama were to say air is good, some House Republicans would raise a fuss and asphyxiate themselves to death in defiance. And then the surviving Republican members would find a way to blame Obama for that too.
 
There are things I don't like about Obama's presidency but are you out of your mind?

There have been times when Obama wanted to give House Republicans EVERYTHING they've asked for, no strings attached, and they still rebelled. There is literally nothing that Obama could do in some instances that the Republican House would negotiate on. Find a way to work with Republicans in the House? Many of those House members said they would work against Obama before he was even sworn into office. Obama has been far more compromising than most people.

If Obama were to say air is good, some House Republicans would raise a fuss and asphyxiate themselves to death in defiance. And then the surviving Republican members would find a way to blame Obama for that too.

That's just convenient nonsense to excuse the utter disasterous Presidency of Obama. You can't own up to the fact Obama is a dolt of the highest order and an arrogant dolt at that. Boehner may be many things, but he's not stupid. He tried to work with Obama during the last "grand bargain" discussions and Obama/Boehner/Reid had a deal and Obama backed out when Nancy Pelosi wanted more even though her backing was irrelevant. Obama made his own bed.
 
That's just convenient nonsense to excuse the utter disasterous Presidency of Obama. You can't own up to the fact Obama is a dolt of the highest order and an arrogant dolt at that. Boehner may be many things, but he's not stupid. He tried to work with Obama during the last "grand bargain" discussions and Obama/Boehner/Reid had a deal and Obama backed out when Nancy Pelosi wanted more even though her backing was irrelevant. Obama made his own bed.
It's not just a convenient excuse, it's also a fact.

Literacy not your strong suit? I believe I started my post with how Obama has been less than perfect, but if your idea of discourse is to refer to people as "dolts" and whatnot then you can keep that nonsense in Canada. I would be tired of trying to work with Republicans too. Or are you really trying to say that there were no Republicans saying they wouldn't work with Obama before he was sworn into office? Because if that's what your saying you need to put a tinfoil hat in your avatar so that people know before hand what kind of poster you are.
 
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